[Decision] Give Moderator's a Green Light

[the Black Prince]

Recently, the moderation branch saw fit (without even a courtesy notice to the Curia!) to change their display colours.

While the new colours remain in bold, they are far less distinquishable than they used to be and much easier to confuse with other coloured ranks and titles.

The moderator green was a vibrant and highly visible sign of the moderator's presence. The current choice in colour does not provide the same level of visibility and has decreased the diversity of user group colours on TWC.

In addition, this would negate the need to change the moderator badge.

If the Moderator's are looking for a new colour with an equal level of impact and visual diversity, I can recommend pink.


Proposer: the Black Prince
Seconders: Nicholas Rush, Mr MM, Empress Meg

The Curia decides that Moderators should return to using Green. Since Moderators wish to have a choice over the colours they can use, the Curia also gives the Moderators the option of using Hot Pink should they prefer.

The Curia additionally invites the Hexagon Council to start a discussion leading to a Curial vote on a new colour scheme for all ranks/user groups if it is the intention of the Hexagon Council to modify group colours

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

Recently, the moderation branch saw fit (without even a courtesy notice to the Curia!) to change their display colours.

Although I concur that the green is more visible and vibrant, isn't the group's user color their own concern? Apparently they have already formed a
consensus on the issue. The horses seemingly have already fled the barn for greener pastures, as it were.

[the Black Prince]

But since the groups colour impacts on decisions of all the other groups, there should be a single uniform policy, which is best discussed and voted on by the Curia.


Besides, I have to put up with it, that gives me a vested interest!

[karamazovmm]

I concur, so support

[Raglan]

Although I concur that the green is more visible and vibrant, isn't the group's user color their own concern? Apparently they have already formed a
consensus on the issue. The horse seemingly has already fled the barn for greener blue pastures, as it were.

fixed

[Squid]

Hot pink was one of the options, so there would be no conflict with the blackout skin.

[Belisarius]

Oppose, the moderation branch reserves the right to suggest changes to Hexagon.

In addition, what Aden is proposing is the reversal of a Hexagon decision not a moderation one because We cant apply it.

So good luck

[the Black Prince]

The Curia also reserves the right to suggest changes to Hexagon...

The Moderation branch chose a colour that conflicts with colours of several other ranks/user groups, which means they are not distinctive anymore. While the moderation branch might like their new colour, any change to colours should logically be discussed in the appropriate arena (The Curia) and in the context of a discussion of all user group colours so that any changes are uniform and maintain a diverse and distinctive colour scheme, in particular so that nrew colours for one group do not conflict or clash with those of another group.

If the moderators want to change their colour, by all means, lets talk about it. Lets also avoid taking a very narrow slap-dash approach and do it properly.

[Gaius Baltar]

Support. Hot pink seems like a great color for moderation!

[Belisarius]

Again aden, you seem to be confusing "moderation decision" with "hexagon decision".

This was a moderation suggestion that found its place within a larger hexagon decision. Our ranks have changed.

[Justinian]

I see no reason for this, if the moderators want to change their name colors then they can and it's not the Curia's problem. Hex would be more interested in defending what their mods want and not what the Curia wants in the first place, and quite fairly so; thus I'd expect this to be vetoed if it passes.

Oppose.

[the Black Prince]

If you read the second paragraph of the proposal, you'll see it calls for a site wide review of colour schemes, so that any changes to moderator colours can be decided in the context of all the other colours used and/or wanted for other ranks. That is, I submit, the best way to make these changes, rather than on a piecemeal basis.

[Viking Prince]

If you read the second paragraph of the proposal, you'll see it calls for a site wide review of colour schemes, so that any changes to moderator colours can be decided in the context of all the other colours used and/or wanted for other ranks. That is, I submit, the best way to make these changes, rather than on a piecemeal basis.

Then set up a stall in the Forum Magnum and begin the review. No need to ask for the Curia to give permission. Gather up some like minded members and look at the options. When you have a report to give - then submit it to the Curia for approval (or even directly to Hex -- they read this stuff as well).

I do agree that there might have been a better way to change the color, but sometimes timing is everything.

[Empress Meg]

^ And why was this timing so important VP? What horrible tragedy would have occurred had not the colour changed from green to blue and the artifical "thanks" read: slap in the face given to devoted members of the moderation branch who don't deserve to be on Hex?

Devoirs The Empress

[Viking Prince]

^ And why was this timing so important VP? What horrible tragedy would have occurred had not the colour changed from green to blue and the artifical "thanks" read: slap in the face given to devoted members of the moderation branch who don't deserve to be on Hex?

Devoirs The Empress

Well the changes to the staff structure have been a long process as you well know. It might have even started while you were in Hex, in any case -- a long time coming. The most obvious happened this weekend when the two remaining Senior Moderation badges disappeared. The color change started about two weeks ago in the den. Rome and Beli are great advocates of the Curia -- but they are more great advocates of things getting done. I myself am working on the VV project and did not really give the color change any thought. I missed my chance to abstain when the computer paused for a few days.

As for timing being important? Marketing new ideas is always important. The completion of the change in the moderation structure is a big event. As big as when the Senior Moderation rank was created. The color change is or at least can now be viewed as an obvious symbol to the membership that a change has occurred. I was not a part of the timing, but I can tell you now that it was good timinig.

I find it interesting that this is becoming a Curial matter.

I am not speakiing as a Senior Moderator (which no longer exists) nor do I speak regarding official moderation policy. With the current change in structure, that task will now fall to the members of Hex.

If it was thought that the change needed Curial discussion, I am certain that members of the moderation staff would have brought it forward. As it was, the posting in the Q&S by Beli was more of "youthful" enthusiasm rather than a formal announcement. As you are aware, the Moderation Staff does indeed try to keep the general membership and specially the citizens informed of changes. With the ToS, the information is through the Q&S prior to a final vote in the den. This allows for modification of the proposals based upon member input. With the color change -- the event of the retirement of the Senior badge seemed a good time to make the change. (All of this is a guess of course since I am not a little mouse peeking into the heart of Hex -- well except for a rare moment thanks to a tech error)

As I posted -- I do think a general rethink of the colors for all rank labels below the Avator, names, and badges might be appropirate. With a new game focused on Asia, this is as good as a time as any to do the review.

Unfortunately, I did not get the impression from the OP that the purpose of this thread was to perform such a review. It seemed more of a chance to bash the Moderation staff for a change. A change, I might add, that was made in accordance with the rules and with the support of Hex.

[Mega Tortas de Bodemloze]

If you read the second paragraph of the proposal, you'll see it calls for a site wide review of colour schemes, so that any changes to moderator colours can be decided in the context of all the other colours used and/or wanted for other ranks. That is, I submit, the best way to make these changes, rather than on a piecemeal basis.

Oh Goody, this might kick-start the Grey-Haters for another go at changing color spectrum's that don't suite them.
Yummers, this should be good...

OT: I concede that overall color presentations and continuity are important things for the site as a whole. {Pleasing to the eye attracts folks, then they can stay for content}. On the other hand individual user groups should be the one's discussing shading issues that affect themselves.
Curial approval/authorization doesn't seem to carry much pertinence in those instances. imo...that is.

My apologies, I probably just shoulda edited this to my last post...

[Empress Meg]

I support.

Devoirs The Empress

[karamazovmm]

OH THIS SHOULD BE INTERESTING

[Nole4694]

ahem, well this is a bit more heated than I expected it to be...

I support this. I think the green makes the mods stand out better than the blue, and I don't really think there was any good reason to change from Green to Blue, from what I know of the situation it seems like the mods and Hex said "Since we are merging some of the structure of the moderation branch, lets go ahead and change the color too." I don't mind that they made their decision without the Curia but I find the Green more practical and really I just like it more than the blue.

[irishron]

I supported blue AND I still support blue.