What is the effect of the ruler's authority?

[SirRobin]

I've been searching the forums and on google for an answer to this, but have found nothing, so here goes:

What exactly is the effect of the faction leader's authority rating ?

[Ishan]

I've been searching the forums and on google for an answer to this, but have found nothing, so here goes:

What exactly is the effect of the faction leader's authority rating ?

U have come to the right place my man.

The effect it has is none basically but the authority plays a vital role in medieval 2 Why?
'coz medieval 2 uses this lame feature for identifying next leaders and heirs in line.
Surprised you should be as was i when i first discovered it. Any general with the highest authority will 100% become the next king the game doesn't cares about command stars, piety, loyalty or chivalry.
Authority is visible only for the faction leader but the games keep tracks for all the generals a faction has.
Go check it out for yourself bro.

[SirRobin]

The effect it has is none basically but the authority plays a vital role in medieval 2 Why?
'coz medieval 2 uses this lame feature for identifying next leaders and heirs in line.
Surprised you should be as was i when i first discovered it.

Yes im surprised, but take a look at Stolet's reply also, seems like you were wrong ..

[Stolet]

One thing should be high authority prevents your captains (and family members with lower loyalty) from going rebel.

EDIT: Not "should be" but "is" I once lost a full stack of dismounted and mounted Knights Hospitaller comanded by a general, just because his loyalty was low, and I had fresh faction leader with one authority point.

[eXistenZ]

You will have to respect his authoritaah!

[Shasqua]

Also, it seems that if a general has enough traits that reduce Authority into the negatives, they get 10 Authority. This makes utterly insane, sadly ignorant cuckolds the best rulers.

[SirRobin]

Also, it seems that if a general has enough traits that reduce Authority into the negatives, they get 10 Authority. This makes utterly insane, sadly ignorant cuckolds the best rulers.

Finally a realistic aspect of MTW2, eh!

[penquin11]

I've been searching the forums and on google for an answer to this, but have found nothing, so here goes:

What exactly is the effect of the faction leader's authority rating ?

Authority effects certain decisions in the game, for instance a country will be less willing to attack a faction whose leader has high authority..

[SturmChurro]

Doesn't it have a good effect on order in your settlements also? (I haven't looked into it too much)

[Ishan]

Yes im surprised, but take a look at Stolet's reply also, seems like you were wrong ..

I was only telling u the main function of authority in medieval 2.

But Besides that there are few more then:--
It helps in maintaining public order.
It helps in increased settlement income.
It has an effect on diplomacy.
It helps spawns lesser rebels (Unrest levels).

Also units generally commanded by captains and general with low loyalty tend to flip sides(desertion) when they are far away from their capital so this point is dependent on this factor as well not solely on authority.

[SirRobin]

Thanks everybody for helping out

Strange though, because my incompetent sultan has only 2 points of authority, and I don't see people rebel or anything nasty happening in general ..

[Ja.]

Yeah, my stack of 10 jinetes rebelled 5 turns into the spanish campaign in multiplayer hotseat. King only started with 2 authority and can't do much about that. Now I'm screwed since sicily is attacking with a 15-unit stack on turn 8.

This has never ever ever happened to me before. I always transport units without a general, so it's funny that it happens right now when it matters. Does a more powerful stack rebel because the units feel more confident in rebelling with higher numbers? -_-

[Steven the conqueror]

Thanks everybody for helping out

Strange though, because my incompetent sultan has only 2 points of authority, and I don't see people rebel or anything nasty happening in general ..

maybe you have really loyal generals, strange though almost never got loyal generals with muslim factions

[Muagan_ra]

The most noticeable effect is that it increases the chances of your armies / generals becoming rebels - it's normally not an issue, but I remember one French Campaign in which my King's zero authority had utterly ruinous results. Entire armies lead by ostensibly loyal generals rebelling against me on the march to Milan, it happened constantly.

[kkaana]

Surprised you should be as was i when i first discovered it. Any general with the highest authority will 100% become the next king the game doesn't cares about command stars, piety, loyalty or chivalry.

But how do we know that? Altough We do not know anything about our general's authority, how could we be sure about the one with the highest authority is selected as faction leader?

sadly ignorant cuckolds the best rulers.

They know how to satisfy the public

[Ishan]

But how do we know that? Altough We do not know anything about our general's authority, how could we be sure about the one with the highest authority is selected as faction leader?

It's been proven many times in the modworkshop & if you need proof i can dig up the proof for you.

And here is an example of a submod manipulating it.

[Gigantus]

But how do we know that? Altough We do not know anything about our general's authority, how could we be sure about the one with the highest authority is selected as faction leader?

It would be rather time consuming to determine this as you would have to trace back the characters traits and ancillaries to see which ones confer authority.

I don't notice any correlation between authority, and diplomacy. In another thread they said it was like this in MTW1, but I think the reputation system replaced it.

It will be hard to disprove, particularly if you keep in mind that actions (or omissions) that lead to a good reputation often confer traits or ancillaries with authority. But I personally think there is no direct correlation.

I also haven't found any proof of this yet in my game.

Nor have I

When my king dies I see not drop in profits. Does anyone else?

First time I hear about that, extremely unlikely

its a little hard to prove that authority effects rebels either. I hope it does. I hope it does something.

Not to the rebels themselves, they are linked to unrest levels, but it does certainly do something to desertion. There is this submod that works with authority of the king (forgot the name) and it always drove me nuts how my generals kept on saying "you are not my kaiser" when that king of mine had a low authority level.
Part of that was scripted, but in my experience a low authority combined with a long distance from the king or the capital increased desertion tremendously.

It nominates your new king, and makes you feel good.

These seem indeed to be the major functions of authority in M2TW.

I always have a soft spot for a guy with a trait like the "Conquering Hero" (+3 authority):

This man's name is mantra of pride for his people, who adore him utterly for his glorious achievements in war.

[Ishan]

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Ok i ran a few tests about it and what i have read in the general discussions in the past about it is not all true.

Firstly the facts that we know:-

• Authority decides the next heir in M2TW.
  ^This is proved by various modders and i have also checked it.
• Authority is directly related to desertion of captains and generals in game.
• Low authority also results in rebels spawning in the kingdom's territory.(unrest levels)
  ^These are something that 90% of the players have noticed along with me.

Now the things i have checked to confirm other myths about it are:-

• Settlement Income- Authority doesn't change or affects it in anyway.
• Squalor- Authority doesn't change or affects it in anyway.
• Settlement's Public order- Authority doesn't change or affects it in anyway.
• Diplomacy- Authority doesn't change or affects it in anyway. That is a diplomatic negotiation between a AI diplomat and the Faction Leader.

^How i checked it was gave the king +8 authority with console and then checked the settlement details scroll and carried out a couple of diplomatic talks with a AI diplomat and the king with high and low authority.

Corrected the above post as well.

[teks]

I made a similar post about this at about the same time :-D
I'm trying to end the frequent theories about these stats.

it has an effect on diplomacy.

I don't notice any correlation between authority, and diplomacy. In another thread they said it was like this in MTW1, but I think the reputation system replaced it.

It helps in maintaining public order.

I also haven't found any proof of this yet in my game.

It helps in increased settlement income.

When my king dies I see not drop in profits. Does anyone else?

its a little hard to prove that authority effects rebels either. I hope it does. I hope it does something.
I think Ishan said it right the first time. It nominates your new king, and makes you feel good. hooray.