Riots? and Egyptian Campaign

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  1. Rodders said:

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    Hi All,
    Can anyone help. I'm getting realy frustrated with the Egypian Campaign. I try to build up my armies quickly, so loot a few settlements. I leave some militia there, but i get a lot of rioting. Basically, do i have to do anything other than repair my buildings that have been damaged or will i continue to get rioting until a rebellion occurs. I take it the militia are there to keep the peace?
    Then, from nowhere a couple of full army stacks appear and i get creamed.
    Would it be advantageous to take Cairo, asap or what. Because i spend i lot of time fighting Marmelukes and run out of time before i can even get to the Ottomans. Plus, i've no idea how to get to Cyprus, because i tried to leave port and got pounched on straight away by the British Navy and sunk.
    Sorry for all the questions, but i'm new to this sort of strategy game, and am playing on normal.
    Thanks.
     
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    Captain Loogie said:

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    Double click the problem city and check the box that stops taxing that city. It should calm things down a bit.
     
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    Atlaas said:

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    Usually if the population is unhappy, espacially the lower class (you can check this when double clicking on the city), the rioting continues until you get a rebellion and sometimes many rebellions
    To increase the population happiness you can:
    - Exempt region from tax - immediate effect
    - Build theaters and entretainement buildings - takes some time
    - Increase the region wealth by investing in economic buildings - long term effect, very solw
    Also if you smash a rebellion, usually the rioting stops, but if the population remains unhappy, you will have another rebellion after some turns
     
  4. Rodders said:

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    Hi All,
    I been thinking how to beat Egypt, and wanted to run this past you all.
    Right at the start if i put all my troops under Napoleon, so he has a decent force, send him of to take North Sinai to get the University, then build up my forces whilst sending Napoleon to take on the Ottamans. Don't conquer any of the Marmalukes until i have a better Army. Then, use the other 2 generals to take care of the Marmalukes, whilst Napoleon tries to roll up towards the British(possibly following him with a ship so he can board and escape if necessary). Try and then send one of the other Armies to the Suez canal. Try and take that. Leave a force there then send him to support Napoleon and hopefully take on the British.
    Then, send the last general to take care of the Beduoins.
    Any ideas, or suggestions,
    Thanks.
     
  5. TBK said:

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    If you loot a city this will have a negative effect on the population. They will be extremely unhappy with you and that's why the keep rioting. To prevent this just occupy the city and do not loot it. This will give you less money in first place but will make sure that the cities will not riot as often and generate an extra income per turn. When you occupy a city and the population is unhappy make sure to double click on the city and free them (temporarily) from taxes, as stated earlier. This will make them happier sooner.

    Also I suggest you first take care of the cities of the Marmaluks underneath your starting point to which the roads lead. Because they will keep harassing you. The cities further in the dessert you can ignore. They will still harass you but only with camels. One stack of militia in a city will be enough to defend against that no matter how much camels they throw at you. When they attack you simply put your militia and citizens in a building and they will be save from the camels, when the camels come close they will be shot down. Works like a charm, mind you, the battles will last a while. But you can focus your main army on the Ottomans.
     
  6. Rodders said:

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    Hi Guys,
    Thanks for the help. I'm doing much better. I've captured most of the Marmalukes, and am just about to set about the Ottomans. The only thing is as i had exempted some of my regions from tax. I'm now bankrupt, but don't want to loot any regions.
    I've also got a ship built, but i can't see any trade nodes. It basically, stays in harbour. Is there anything for it to do,
    Any suggestions,
    Thanks.
     
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    valentinian said:

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    There are no trade nodes in the Egyptian campaign (and you can't build any trade ships anyway). Your dockyard only builds warships, which are far outclassed by Nelson's fleet sailing around somewhere. You can use it to sneak an army over to Cyprus and eliminate the British (and get a +4000 money bonus), but it maybe too late in the campaign for that.

    For money, you should disband expensive line infantry units if you don't need them. Also, check to see if any high-population regions are using town watch -- those are expensive and costs scale with population, so put up militia instead -- their maintenance costs are less the town watch. Try to have enough militia to get your towns off of both tax exemption and town watch.
     
  8. Rodders said:

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    Hi,
    Just finished my first Egypt, but got defeated at the last turn. Captured all the Marmaluke ground went and eventually took Damascus, then last turn a Rebel Marmaluke army appeared in the Western Delta and captured it even though i exempted them from tax. Then a sneaky Ottoman force captured North Sinai.
    Think i'll have to try again..
    Regards.
     
  9. lemming3k said:

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    I'm not sure why you're looting, the long term penalties are harsh and the negative effect on population expensive to control. Cairo for example goes from 2500per turn to only 500. It takes an eternity to get that back up and the disorder is crippling. Even in a short term campaign like this it's better to occupy peacefully.
    I don't seem to have any disorder, leave militia in captured towns until they're peaceful, you should only need a couple units to follow a few turns behind your army. Build anything that adds to repression and happiness. Don't research conscription early(if at all) as it has negative effects on happiness and the 1 extra slot is worthless.
    Ignore cyprus(pretty sure it isn't a victory condition, or at least leave it til last). The 4000 reward isn't much when you consider you'll need an army, and 3 or 4 ships to distract nelsons fleet long enough while you slip past. If you're lucky. You should probably ignore the two bedouin settlements in southern egypt too as they're across a desert(attrition hazard) and detract from your objectives.
     
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    SMIDSY said:

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    Yah, looting is the problem. Is not like in M2TW where killing everyone in the city causes them to calm down. Quite the opposite.

    Take a slower, more deliberate strategy of taking cities, holding them until the population is pacified (this also allows you to reinforce your stacks that took the city.)
    "Either the wallpaper goes, or I do."
    -Last words of Oscar Wilde
     
  11. Rodders said:

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    Hi,
    Thanks for the replies. I've been in again and did no looting this time, and seem to be doing ok. The only thing is i've already researched consription. I'm slowly moving to the Ottomans, so i should reach them much earlier.
    Thanks for the advice.
    Cheers.
     
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    yousuckhardtime said:

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    you shoud only capture the coastal regions. and those who are necassery.
    and reseach public schooling, it makes it going faster.

    I cant really remember how I did, I did it on hard/hard and I had like no problems like you had, like rebbellios mamelukes in the western delta. but I allways left
    1 cav unit
    1 artillery
    1 unit of foot
    and then a 3 or 4 units of militia.
    That makes sure you have a good public order, and a reasonable army to fight with.

    But the mamelukes only show up with their Mob units. so they''ll all chain rouwt.
    '' ik ben de echte wim heitinga ''
     
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    Emperor of The Great Unknown said:

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    never ever ever loot a city in that campaign. It takes jsut as much money to repair the city and then put down the rebellion. I usaully, then I have 2 or 3 line infantry units, and 2 light horse regiments in each city, and thats usaully enoguh for me to put down the rebellions, but don't put a very large garrison cause they will just ravage the country side, forcing you into the field.

    I usaully don't exempt regions from taxes cause I need to mantian an army. So usaully I'm putting down rebellions every other turn, but you get a reward for this, and your troops gain experince chopping down militias.
    Give a man a fish you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish you feed him for a lifetime.
    cant read?
     
  14. Rodders said:

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    Thanks Guys for the help. I've learnt my lesson no looting. I'm not experienced enough yet to try the game on hard.
    One thing i now have is Dromedary calvary, which i've never had before. I don't know if it's because i downloaded the Peninsular campaign, and did an update a couple of weeks ago. I'll have to give them a go, though i don't know if they have any weaknesses,
    Thanks again all for the help,
    Regards.
     
  15. lemming3k said:

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    If you attack the Bedouin on the left side of Egypt you get a message about building some Camels and then being allowed to build Dromedary Cavalry so it could be linked to that. I could build them from the start though for some reason.