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    Do you think that Hollywood have a huge influence on people?Do you think that without Hollywood, people would have a more negative view on the US?

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    Moved to the Academy, not a current political event.

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    Why would they have a more negative view on the US without Hollywood?

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    The United State´s reputation would be even deeper in the toilet than it already is, if it wasn´t for Hollywood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoni View Post
    Do you think that Hollywood have a huge influence on people?Do you think that without Hollywood, people would have a more negative view on the US?
    Definitly. People who watch hollywood movies are from 2 groups:
    Those who think hollywood is hollywood.
    Then there is the other group which think americans were the one who were involved with Katsumotu in Japan in the end of the Shogun era or that Jack Bauer is the man we need to stop terrorism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Why would they have a more negative view on the US without Hollywood?
    Welcome to the country outside US, the Foreign Country. We too have idiots.

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    I am too lazy to search the article now, but I once read, that they showed a school class a hollywood film on a specific historical event, and then teached them with books what the true history was. Guess what? Most sticked with the Hollywood version of history in the following test.

    The masterful imaginery, the epic music, the idolization of the characters, the appeal to emotions... all this leaves a far deeper footprints in the conscience than some mere plain text.

    And you don´t need to be dumb to fall for this, not at all! you can be very intelligent and be absolutely conscious of the misrepresentations in this or that Hollywood movie, but the memories of the film scenes stick deeply and will influence your judgement of this or that historical event/person.

    It´s real brainwash.
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    And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."

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    Amagi: you must've LOVED "Inglorious Basterds"...yet, imagine the poor history teacher covering WWII after that horribly self indulgent Tarentino brainfart hit theaters!

    I think Wille got it. It's either entertainment, or really bad education for the intellectually compromised. Still, can't be much worse than whatever the Texas schoolboard is trying to drive into its young-uns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamaeleo View Post
    Amagi: you must've LOVED "Inglorious Basterds"...yet, imagine the poor history teacher covering WWII after that horribly self indulgent Tarentino brainfart hit theaters!
    I am 100% with Dr.Duke on "Hollywood Basterds" and Hollywood´s influence in general:

    The moral decay of the US is largely due to Hollywood´s malicious influence.
    Last edited by Amagi; June 10, 2010 at 05:38 AM.
    I do the wrong, and first begin to brawl.
    The secret mischiefs that I set abroach

    I lay unto the grievous charge of others.


    And thus I clothe my naked villainy

    With odd old ends, stol'n out of holy writ;

    And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."

    Shakespeare´s "Richard III"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amagi View Post
    I am 100% with Dr.Duke on "Hollywood Basterds" and Hollywood´s influence in general:

    The moral decay of the US is largely due to Hollywood´s malicious influence.
    Again with the Jews?

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    @Yoni:

    Who runs Hollywood? C'mon

    December 19, 2008|JOEL STEIN


    I have never been so upset by a poll in my life. Only 22% of Americans now believe "the movie and television industries are pretty much run by Jews," down from nearly 50% in 1964. The Anti-Defamation League, which released the poll results last month, sees in these numbers a victory against stereotyping. Actually, it just shows how dumb America has gotten. Jews totally run Hollywood.

    How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

    The person they were yelling at in that ad was SAG President Alan Rosenberg (take a guess). The scathing rebuttal to the ad was written by entertainment super-agent Ari Emanuel (Jew with Israeli parents) on the Huffington Post, which is owned by Arianna Huffington (not Jewish and has never worked in Hollywood.)
    The Jews are so dominant, I had to scour the trades to come up with six Gentiles in high positions at entertainment companies. When I called them to talk about their incredible advancement, five of them refused to talk to me, apparently out of fear of insulting Jews. The sixth, AMC President Charlie Collier, turned out to be Jewish.
    As a proud Jew, I want America to know about our accomplishment. Yes, we control Hollywood.
    I do the wrong, and first begin to brawl.
    The secret mischiefs that I set abroach

    I lay unto the grievous charge of others.


    And thus I clothe my naked villainy

    With odd old ends, stol'n out of holy writ;

    And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."

    Shakespeare´s "Richard III"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amagi View Post
    I am 100% with Dr.Duke on "Hollywood Basterds" and Hollywood´s influence in general:

    The moral decay of the US is largely due to Hollywood´s malicious influence.


    David Duke is a former Grand Wizard of the KKK.


    Without Hollywood, people would have a more positive view of the United States, Yoni. It is a fact that Hollywood is controlled by a number of extremely powerful lefties who hate the United States and all that it stands for (except for their wealth, of course).


    What parallel universe have you come from? How many Hollywood movies put Americans in positive light as opposed to those that put it in a negative one? From the top of my head, the movies which present Americans positively and/or non-Americans negatively:

    -Saving Private Ryan
    -The Beast
    -Inglorious Basterds
    -The Green Berets
    -the Patriot
    -Pearl Harbor
    -Patton
    -A Bridge Too Far
    -Where Eagles Dare
    -Miracle at St. Anna
    -We Were Soldiers
    -Battle of the Bulge
    -Red Dawn
    -U-571
    -The Lost Battalion
    -In Love and War
    -Flyboys
    -Black Hawk Down
    -Full Metal Jacket
    -Pretty much every American war film made before the 70s.

    Movies which favour non-Americans rivals and/or contemporaries, aren't that pro-American

    -Letters from Iwo Jima
    -Platoon
    -Saints and Soldiers
    -Jarhead

    They produce movies that reflect this view of America, like Avatar, in which the "bad guys" are us, of course.
    Erm, the good guy in the movie is an American as well. I fail to see how Avatar was anti-American anymore than it was anti-Western in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chamaeleo View Post

    I think Wille got it. It's either entertainment, or really bad education for the intellectually compromised. Still, can't be much worse than whatever the Texas schoolboard is trying to drive into its young-uns.
    Most of what they seemed to be 'driving' into the young-uns seems to be a acceptable.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/13/ed...n/13texas.html

    Doesn't seem so evil. Whats amusing though is that while the article mentions the whole Darwin evolution debate, that doesn't seem to have been voted on, and I agree with many of their additions.

    I realize people want this to be an evolution vrs creationism type of black and white debate, but thats not what it was.
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    Hollywood has a great influence on america. It encourages us to see those evil nazis as people who deserved to die I mean that's the whole point of inglorious bastards

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    sure, the way fred phelps finds christianity too optimistic?

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    Do you think that without Hollywood, people would have a more negative view on the US?
    Nope.

    This questions is kind of ridiculous. Hollywood presents a more negative view of the USA than what actually exists in America. You Europeans sometimes have very distorted views of Americans as a result of Hollywood but not how you think.

    Hollywood is pretty "anti-American" if you ask Conservatives in America like Fox News Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.


    I can't even think of a single Hollywood movie that is 'Pro-USA" whereas there are hundreds that reveal the negative side of the USA from all of Michael Moore's documentaries (Sicko, Fahrenheit 9/11) to blockbusters like Syriana and The Insider to older ones like Apocalypse Now
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    Quote Originally Posted by chilon View Post
    Hollywood is pretty "anti-American" if you ask Conservatives in America like Fox News Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh.
    I didn't ask US Concervatives, I'd ask US Citizens in general, which is as much Rush Limbaugh as it's Michael Moore. Now please, leave such dillutional comments from the face of sanity.

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    syriana only made 93 million less than half its cost to produce and the insider lost eight million at the box office Chilon.
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    Hollywood (and the likes) does represent a form of imperialism, cultural imperialism. Just like MTV. And when it comes down to morals then at times it's pretty troublesome seeing what they offer. I haven't seen Inglorious Bastards, but the clip of the beating of the German POW is IMO pretty disgusting. However it could also mean that these "inglorious bastards" are just that: sick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yoni View Post
    Do you think that Hollywood have a huge influence on people?Do you think that without Hollywood, people would have a more negative view on the US?
    Without Hollywood, people would have a more positive view of the United States, Yoni. It is a fact that Hollywood is controlled by a number of extremely powerful lefties who hate the United States and all that it stands for (except for their wealth, of course). They produce movies that reflect this view of America, like Avatar, in which the "bad guys" are us, of course.

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    @chilon

    If you go into a movie stoor here in Europe, then Sicko-types of movies are only covering about 2-3% of the overall sale. All the other is covered by "americans" playing as the good guy hero.

    The other type is where americans start out as living the "perfect american dream", atleast 90% have manhatten apartments or clean cut yards, a dog and a healty family of 4, where afterwards they take on the "hero" and must save the day Even if they have to change historical events, so it fits the avrage american ego.

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    Without Hollywood, people would have a more positive view of the United States, Yoni. It is a fact that Hollywood is controlled by a number of extremely powerful lefties who hate the United States and all that it stands for (except for their wealth, of course). They produce movies that reflect this view of America, like Avatar, in which the "bad guys" are us, of course.
    Then how is the "good guys" in avatar not an american? It's the whole point, fighting the evil side of americans we see on the news. Some how they want to potrey a self inquiry of it's own state, which is totally ridicule for us who think hollywood is hollywood.

    Don't kid yourself. It's made by american, ergo for americans. Anything else would be backwards.

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    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sivilombudsmannen View Post
    @chilonThen how is the "good guys" in avatar not an american? It's the whole point, fighting the evil side of americans we see on the news. Some how they want to potrey a self inquiry of it's own state, which is totally ridicule for us who think hollywood is hollywood.

    Don't kid yourself. It's made by american, ergo for americans. Anything else would be backwards.

    ~Wille
    You yourself have said it, Willie. The whole point of the movie is to fight the "evil side of americans". And what is that evil side, according to Hollywood? The military, and capitalism. Are not all of these things portrayed in the darkest possible manner in this movie?

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