Turkey vs Israel

[Yoni]

If Turkey and Israel would start a war after the Floatilla accident, what do you think will be the result?

[6644kp]

Turkey. Israel is too small to face the 2# in NATO.

[Crimson Scythe]

Realistically, it could actually end up being a draw. Israel has a numerical edge in the air, as well as a technological edge in firepower (e.g., nuclear weapons, UAVs, etc.). Turkey also has some serious deficiencies at this moment, such as its air-defence systems, which are almost hopelessly obsolete (hence the multi-billion dollar tender for an air-defence system), and its tank force (aside from the Leo-2A4s and the M-60Ts, most Turkish tanks are from the 70s and 80s (though upgraded) - hence the Altay program).

Plus Israel has been massively outnumbered in the past and won anyways. The key will be whether or not the Turkish Navy can prevent Israel from resupplying (50-50, depending on which country is doing it), thus allowing a war of attrition to be won by the much larger Turkish army.

Of course, I also seriously doubt that such a scenario could actually occur. My response is just for the sake of argument...

[HansDuet]

Realistically, it could actually end up being a draw. Israel has a numerical edge in the air, as well as a technological edge in firepower (e.g., nuclear weapons, UAVs, etc.). Turkey also has some serious deficiencies at this moment, such as its air-defence systems, which are almost hopelessly obsolete (hence the multi-billion dollar tender for an air-defence system), and its tank force (aside from the Leo-2A4s and the M-60Ts, most Turkish tanks are from the 70s and 80s (though upgraded) - hence the Altay program).

Plus Israel has been massively outnumbered in the past and won anyways. The key will be whether or not the Turkish Navy can prevent Israel from resupplying (50-50, depending on which country is doing it), thus allowing a war of attrition to be won by the much larger Turkish army.

Of course, I also seriously doubt that such a scenario could actually occur. My response is just for the sake of argument...

This really.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Realistically, it could actually end up being a draw. Israel has a numerical edge in the air, as well as a technological edge in firepower (e.g., nuclear weapons, UAVs, etc.). Turkey also has some serious deficiencies at this moment, such as its air-defence systems, which are almost hopelessly obsolete (hence the multi-billion dollar tender for an air-defence system), and its tank force (aside from the Leo-2A4s and the M-60Ts, most Turkish tanks are from the 70s and 80s (though upgraded) - hence the Altay program).

Plus Israel has been massively outnumbered in the past and won anyways. The key will be whether or not the Turkish Navy can prevent Israel from resupplying (50-50, depending on which country is doing it), thus allowing a war of attrition to be won by the much larger Turkish army.

Of course, I also seriously doubt that such a scenario could actually occur. My response is just for the sake of argument...

War is not going to happen Bibi is just stupid not insane.

You know I'd say lets be sensible too. But instead lets let the Turkey and israli fanboys duke it out and just watch. .

[karo]

One on one I would say it would be a draw, look at Crimson's post. But than there is the US and I don't see the US abandoning Israel in a war. Because of the Us I voted Israel.

[Yoni]

One on one I would say it would be a draw, look at Crimson's post. But than there is the US and I don't see the US abandoning Israel in a war. Because of the Us I voted Israel.

The US do not engage in wars of other countries.

[alhoon]

The US do not engage in wars of other countries.

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You're sarcastic or you really believe that?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

But than there is the US and I don't see the US abandoning Israel in a war.

They wouldn't get involved and would petition for them to stop such madness

I think it would be a draw.

[CiviC]

Of course Israel would never envisage to invade and conquer Turkey, but it will very successfully keep at bay Turkish Army and destroy many of its capacities. As a revenge Israel could help Cyprus to reoccupy the Northern part of the island.

Turkey. Israel is too small to face the 2# in NATO.

#2? What? Really? Based on what? What about UK, France or Germany?

[Stavroforos]

Navally, at least, it would be all Turkey.

[Amagi]

I clicked draw, because both nations would get devastated to an extent, that a "winner" would be hard to be declared.

[PointOfViewGun]

I'm not sure if Israel defeating multiple disorganized and ill-equipped Arab armies could be used as an advantage in the case of Turkey. Back when Turks had the crisis with Greek over the surfacing islands they manage to sneak a commando team through superior Greek navy while it was at full alert. Lately, Turkish domestic production and research capabilities seems to have increased greatly. Israelis are certainly better equipped but I wouldn't say there is much of a training difference. In this case size does matter.

The problem with such analysis is that clashes between two modern armies have hardly occurred and we don't really know what would happen exactly. So any verdict would just be a very crude guess.

Oh Turkey is also in possession of nukes too. Israel knows this.

[Jaketh]

Israel has nukes, if turkey came close to victory Israel would use them

[dogukan]

Israel would dominate the air...and modern war=air superiority. In the conventional sense of course. Going in and invading is a whole different story. I doubt both sides have the capability to do that. But overall, Turkey would be hurt more. But you got to hear some of our nationalists on this. They make some really good arguement. For example, Turkish soldier has the HEART OF A LION. YEAH

[Angrychris]

Everyone would swarm on israel if they got into a war meaning their muslim neighbors.

[Armenum]

Well let's see. The Muslim countries would through their support for Turkey as they would see a chance to finally destroy Israel. Thus you have countries like Iran, Syria, maybe Egypt, staging a war against tiny Israel. If US didn't get involved it would be a decisive Muslim victory, if US got involved it would be WW3 and God knows what would happen...

[Stavroforos]

To be fair, Israel would have to invade all the countries in the Levant to reach Turkey in a proper invasion, while Turkey actually has the possibility of launching a naval invasion.

[Oldgamer]

To be fair, Israel would have to invade all the countries in the Levant to reach Turkey in a proper invasion, while Turkey actually has the possibility of launching a naval invasion.

I wasn't aware that Turkey had an advanced amphibious capability, that could survive against Israeli air, missile, and submarine attacks ...

[PointOfViewGun]

I wasn't aware that Turkey had an advanced amphibious capability, that could survive against Israeli air, missile, and submarine attacks ...

Well remember the thread on Turkish amphibious ship construction by Jo where he kinda suggested that Turkey was building forces to invade Greece? I don't really think that Turkey has a good capability in this field. What would happen is that the navy would basically take over the coastline as both naval and submarine units of Israel are minimal. Then it would act as a support for the land army going down from Syria. The combined navy and air forces would keep the Israeli air forces busy in the process.