Query: Is This More likely to get me Attacked???

**Davonator** · June 02, 2010, 12:53 PM

In Rome (Or M2, Empire, Napoleon as I play them all often) you often get this situation, and I want to know if it increases your chance of being attacked by a nation you were peaceful with.

Here's the situation, the example I will use here is Rhodes. The Greeks (AI) Egyptians (AI), and the Carthaginians (me)

* At the start of the game Rhodes belongs to the Greeks

* Lets say the AI controlled Egyptians declare war on Greece and capture Rhodes...so it is now Egyptian.

* Then later on there is a war between the Carthaginians (me) and the Egyptians, and I capture Rhodes off of them, so now I control Rhodes, and kick out the Egyptians.

What I want to know is does the game make Greece more likely to declare war on me, as I am occupying their city, but I captured it from the Egyptians.

In the total war games does this indirect occupation of cities hurt your standing with their original owners, even though directly you haven't been at war with them.

Hope I make sense (let me know if I don't)

**Brusilov** · June 02, 2010, 01:05 PM

To be honest I've never really worried about this - in the RTW games you will eventually be at war with everyone. The easiest way to trigger a war, even with an ally, is to take a region that is adjacent to one of thiers. Equally, if they take a region next to one that you already own then it's only a matter of time before you are at war with them.

I the RTW games that I play I use a 'house rule' that does not let me attack a faction anf trigger a war. However, I do prepare for war against my allies - mainly by leaving a 'strategic defense' force nearby. Having such a force is though to put off the start of a war. All that does happen is that your ally will build up thier forces to the extent that they think they can take you on.

I'd suggest watching the alliances that your allies make - quite often they can ally themselves with a faction you've been at war with for a very long time and recently delcared peace. The other hting to not do is to ally yourself with your fomer enemies - what can happen is that a war will be triggered and you'll lose all your allies......

**Bow-wow-wow** · June 02, 2010, 02:01 PM

I'm pretty sure it doesn't affect it. I'm not completely sure though.

**Genius of the Restoration** · June 02, 2010, 06:07 PM

No idea.

**Chris Death** · June 02, 2010, 06:33 PM

I think as carthage i took Syracuse from the romans and later on the greeks attacked
me to retake their former settlement.

But i can't say for off course if this was just the closest city to them to attack first in
a war against Carthage or if they really only wanted to get back their settlement.

Anyways like Brusilov already mentioned the most popular way of getting a neutral faction
into an enemy is to make them your neighbors - at the end the player is the most attractive
enemy for the ai and maybe the poor Seleucids too.

~S~ CD

**Tay333** · June 15, 2010, 02:43 PM

I don't know of course a faction would want there settlement back,but I'm not sure a faction would risk war for one city.

**Xerrop** · June 16, 2010, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by Tay333

I don't know of course a faction would want there settlement back,but I'm not sure a faction would risk war for one city.

There is a reason why the game is called Total War.
Don´t expect any deeper diplomatic thinking (or programming) of the AI.

**killervomit2** · June 22, 2010, 09:00 PM

wish i could help,50th post

**Sir Pignans** · June 23, 2010, 01:31 PM

I think it might.

But R:TW factions have a habit of well, declaring war senselessly.

**Punic Hoplite** · June 23, 2010, 02:55 PM

They will attack you if they border you, otherwise they won't go out of their way to retake it if its not near their current objectives. At least from my experiences. By the way, in my Carthage campagins, Greece always comes out on top against Macedon. If they are doing the same in your game, they'll come after you.

**|Sith| Max** · June 23, 2010, 05:55 PM

the further away your ally is the better... once borders contact they cant be trusted. im surprised you bother with alliances at all...

**NotYetRegistered** · June 26, 2010, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by |Sith|9|Lord_Max

the further away your ally is the better... once borders contact they cant be trusted. im surprised you bother with alliances at all...

Alliances can be useful if your neighbour is at war with someone else near him.

**Plant** · June 26, 2010, 09:30 AM

It doesn't matter. You'll eventually be at war with them all.

I think you are giving the diplomacy AI more sophistication than it is due.

**|Sith| Max** · June 26, 2010, 01:59 PM

at least they tried eh.

**supeerme** · June 26, 2010, 02:37 PM

I always ally with my neighbours as it makes it far more rewarding to see them prosper and then conquer then at their prime. (EG: They get a large empire.)