Why is the US Okinawa Base Such A Piss-Off To Japanese?

[Sir Winston Churchill]

I mean, I heard about the rapes that were years ago, but other than that and some twisted nationalistic idea I can't figure why the people on Okinawa are having such a piss-fest about the U.S. Airbase.

I mean, especially with the tensions in Korea, wouldn't they feel more secure or something?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

well there is still a lot of leftover nationalism from WWII, they act like they shouldn't have lost, and like everyone is trying to blame them.

I mean Germany has moved on and nobody except Brits ever brings up the war so they're fine with US military bases.

[Gromovnik]

I mean, I heard about the rapes that were years ago, but other than that and some twisted nationalistic idea I can't figure why the people on Okinawa are having such a piss-fest about the U.S. Airbase.

I have no idea why are they such nationalistic pricks. After all, Americans don't mind all those japanese military bases in the US...

[Deadly Virus]

I have no idea why are they such nationalistic pricks. After all, Americans don't mind all those japanese military bases in the US...

Nationalistic pricks? What the hell? After what the US did to the Japanese in WW2, they have every right to complain about military bases on THEIR territory.

[Gromovnik]

Nationalistic pricks? What the hell? After what the US did to the Japanese in WW2, they have every right to complain about military bases on THEIR territory.

oh, man...

[Rolling Thunder]

Nationalistic pricks? What the hell? After what the US did to the Japanese in WW2, they have every right to complain about military bases on THEIR territory.

Yes, it was almost as bad as what the Japanese did to the United States....God forbid people apply the same Hunnic standards as they do r in warfare...

[Deadly Virus]

Yes, it was almost as bad as what the Japanese did to the United States....God forbid people apply the same Hunnic standards as they do r in warfare...

And you think those thousands of civilians deserved to die for something they had nothing to do with? We didn't go and start massacring German people because of the Holocaust, why do it to the Japanese?

[Gromovnik]

And you think those thousands of civilians deserved to die for something they had nothing to do with? We didn't go and start massacring German people because of the Holocaust, why do it to the Japanese?

for great justice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uySs5wIN4Qo

[Rolling Thunder]

And you think those thousands of civilians deserved to die for something they had nothing to do with? We didn't go and start massacring German people because of the Holocaust, why do it to the Japanese?

Did those US soldiers deserve to be treat at a subhuman level, degraded and starved to death?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

And you think those thousands of civilians deserved to die for something they had nothing to do with? We didn't go and start massacring German people because of the Holocaust, why do it to the Japanese?

you didn't massacre japanese civilians

you killed loads and loads but not on purpose. And the atomic bombings saved hundreds of thousands of civilians that would mhave died in an invasion.

[Pickle_mole]

And you think those thousands of civilians deserved to die for something they had nothing to do with? We didn't go and start massacring German people because of the Holocaust, why do it to the Japanese?

Is this a joke, we bombed civilians just as everyone else did in what is called TOTAL WAR. whats the alternative to the nukes, a full scale invasion of the Island, how many civis and soldiers would that kill smart guy?

[Count of Montesano]

And you think those thousands of civilians deserved to die for something they had nothing to do with? We didn't go and start massacring German people because of the Holocaust, why do it to the Japanese?

Japanese civilians were actively supporting the war effort. The Japanese leaders were also training civilians to repel any conventional invasion of the home islands. This meant using women and the elderly in human wave tactics armed with old muskets, bamboo spears, and bows. School children were being taught that if they could kill just one American before dying themselves than they had fufilled their duty as Japanese patriots.

In other words, as horrible as the atomic bombings were, a few hundred thousand deaths prevented tens of millions of civilian deaths.

At any rate, I'm going off topic. Japan's biggest beef with the bases in Okinawa is that 28,000 service members are stationed on the island, and unfortunately American servicemembers are not always the most well-behaved. Assaults and rapes perpetrated by Americans are rare but have happened in recent years. Japan is more removed from immediate danger unlike South Korea, so the Japanese do not see an immediate benefit to having the Americans around. I also think that Japan has lost its place as a top economic power and Japanese leaders are anxious to save face by proving that Japan can be a self-sufficient political power. It's always easier to divert public anger at the weak economic recovery by pointing to America as the source of Japan's troubles.

[Kiljan Arslan]

Nationalistic pricks? What the hell? After what the US did to the Japanese in WW2, they have every right to complain about military bases on THEIR territory.

Yeah considering what the other outcome would have been besides nuking them they should be thankful. Hell if we hadn't they probably would have had half of Japan "liberated" by stalin.

[Barry Goldwater]

Yeah considering what the other outcome would have been besides nuking them they should be thankful. Hell if we hadn't they probably would have had half of Japan "liberated" by stalin.

Let's not forget that we expected 7 more nukes ready by the day of the invasion. Oh, and that Allied troops were to be sent into areas that had been nuked only 48 hours after the bombs fell, since we had no idea how dangerous that actually was at the time.

If Operation Downfall did happen, I am almost certain that the Baby Boomers would be born with superpowers

Maybe nuking an actual military-controlled area? There's no need to bring civilians into it. If it was Japan that nuked a US city, it would be called a "tragic and saddening event" and a "barbaric, sickening massacre". Just look at how much of a big deal people make out of Pearl Harbour, and that came NOWHERE NEAR the amount of destruction that the US caused to Japan.

Uh, Hiroshima was a military-industrial center and the headquarters of some Japanese armies. Nagasaki was a major shipbuilding center & port for the IJN. Both were pretty legit targets.

[Deadly Virus]

Uh, Hiroshima was a military-industrial center and the headquarters of some Japanese armies. Nagasaki was a major shipbuilding center & port for the IJN. Both were pretty legit targets.

Still, no excuse to literally massacre thousands of innocents who likely wanted nothing to do with the war. If we didn't do that it to Germany, who in my opinion did a LOT worse things than Japan did, then why did we do it to Japan? Even now, when Japan's relations with the west are better than they ever were before, we still don't allow them to have a proper military. Does the US expect the Japanese government to immediately invade Korea or something as soon as they have the opportunity?

[AK47]

Nationalistic pricks? What the hell? After what the US did to the Japanese in WW2, they have every right to complain about military bases on THEIR territory.

What about what the Japanese did to the Chinese, Korean, Burmese, Phillippines, Indonesians etc in WWII ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bataan_Death_March
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandakan_Death_Marches
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

A small part from the wiki article:

It may be pointless to try to establish which World War Two Axis aggressor, Germany or Japan, was the more brutal to the peoples it victimised. The Germans killed six million Jews and 20 million Russians [i.e. Soviet citizens]; the Japanese slaughtered as many as 30 million Filipinos, Malays, Vietnamese, Cambodians, Indonesians and Burmese, at least 23 million of them ethnic Chinese. Both nations looted the countries they conquered on a monumental scale, though Japan plundered more, over a longer period, than the Nazis. Both conquerors enslaved millions and exploited them as forced labourers—and, in the case of the Japanese, as [forced] prostitutes for front-line troops. If you were a Nazi prisoner of war from Britain, America, Australia, New Zealand or Canada (but not Russia) you faced a 4% chance of not surviving the war; [by comparison] the death rate for Allied POWs held by the Japanese was nearly 30%.[23]
According to the findings of the Tokyo Tribunal, the death rate among POWs from Asian countries, held by Japan was 27.1%.[24] The death rate of Chinese POWs was much higher because—under a directive ratified on August 5, 1937 by Emperor Hirohito—the constraints of international law on treatment of those prisoners was removed.[25] Only 56 Chinese POWs were released after the surrender of Japan.[26] After March 20, 1943, the Japanese Navy was under orders to execute all prisoners taken at sea.[27]

[edit] Mass killings
R. J. Rummel, a professor of political science at the University of Hawaii, states that between 1937 and 1945, the Japanese military murdered from nearly 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people, most likely 6,000,000 Chinese, Indonesians, Koreans, Filipinos, and Indochinese, among others, including Western prisoners of war. "This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture."[28] According to Rummel, in China alone, during 1937-45, approximately 3.9 million Chinese were killed, mostly civilians, as a direct result of the Japanese operations and 10.2 millions in the course of the war.[29] The most infamous incident during this period was the Nanking Massacre of 1937-38, when, according to the findings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, the Japanese Army massacred as many as 300,000 civilians and prisoners of war, although the accepted figure is somewhere in the hundreds of thousands.[30] A similar crime was the Changjiao massacre. In Southeast Asia, the Manila massacre, resulted in the deaths of 100,000 civilians in the Philippines and in the Sook Ching massacre, between 25,000 and 50,000 ethnic Chinese in Singapore were taken to beaches and massacred. There were numerous other massacres of civilians e.g. the Kalagong massacre.

Historian Mitsuyoshi Himeta reports that a "Three Alls Policy" (Sankō Sakusen) was implemented in China from 1942 to 1945 and was in itself responsible for the deaths of "more than 2.7 million" Chinese civilians. This scorched earth strategy, sanctioned by Hirohito himself, directed Japanese forces to "Kill All, Burn All, and Loot All."

Also millions and millions of Rapes Japan forced on the women of Asia during WWII known as "comfort women".
If they use what a few bad americans soldiers did as excuse to remove the base from Japan then they should look in their own past and look at what they did and realise how lucky they are the Americans have a base their to protect them despite all the sick stuff they did in Japan.

The United States actually saved the lifes of Japanese and Americans by dropping the Bombs on Japan and avoiding a more prolonged war that would have caused Alot more deaths in a invasion of their capital.

Today The Japanese have made revisionist changes to their textbooks on Japan during WWII which has caused protests and anger in Asia all over in the countrys that suffered from Japanese brutality.
Japan banned "Call Of Duty: World At War" because it has japanese soldiers being killed in it.

Its another reason I wont be buying Shogun 2 TW because it Focuses ONLY ON JAPAN and doesnt have China, Korea, Philippines, Indonesia, Burma, Vietnam, Laos etc in it. I find Japancentrism annoying.

[cenkiss]

I have no idea why are they such nationalistic pricks. After all, Americans don't mind all those japanese military bases in the US...

He can't get sarcasm.

[Emperador Carlos]

I have no idea why are they such nationalistic pricks. After all, Americans don't mind all those japanese military bases in the US...

I know you'e being sarcastic, but...even if the US allowed the Japanese to have a base in the US, they wouldn't put one there, because they renounced war, and have no military whatsoever, besides a national defense force...

[Georgy Zhukov]

I know you'e being sarcastic, but...even if the US allowed the Japanese to have a base in the US, they wouldn't put one there, because they renounced war, and have no military whatsoever, besides a national defense force...

I dont think you need to explain that to him . . .

[Pious Agnost]

And the alternative to the nukings, iiiiis?