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    Default What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    Now that I am convinced that it will be shogun 2, I think that CA has to work particulary for this new opus:

    -on battlemaps (number and quality)
    -accurate uniforms and weapons
    -a lot of different units
    -on bows: more visuable arrows and arrows remain in dead bodies!
    -all the animation with piques or lances, lances or piques crossing the bodies
    -buildable defenses in campaign but also in custom battles
    -cities with all the houses available to units.

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    what about wounded soldiers on the battlefield, would be awesome right?
    perhaps a action to slaugther them out of misery

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    Default Re: What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    Quote Originally Posted by hardcore knight View Post
    what about wounded soldiers on the battlefield, would be awesome right?
    perhaps a action to slaugther them out of misery
    No, Samurai used Sepuku (ritual suicide) when being defeated or deadly injured.
    Although this way you would lose your army after a loss, so I guess CA wont implement that. Or also make units available of normal infantry (no samurai, which also happened in Japan). This way you would not lose your entire army.

    What I would like to see are some coastal battles. Battles with large Japanese fortresses.
    The option to request help from the Portugeze (who were present in Japan untill the arrival of the Dutch).
    Japan did not really had a fleet. Their ships constisted of coastal galleys. If you could lay your hands on some portugeze caravels this would greatly improve your chances of winning.

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    What about other non-samurai units such as ashigaru (peasants) and warrior monks? And Mongol, Korean, and Chinese units should be all accurate (or at least not with some weird purple uniforms).
    Add ninja as the spy agent, and give us non-stuttering movies of assasination!!

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    YES! Assassination movies! We need that for ninjas!

    And please no fantasy units. No Kensai, Battlefield Ninjas bla bla bla...

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    Yes the movies should return! That's one of the best things in the TW genre. Aside from the campaign and RTS battles of course but those movies were splendid!

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    Prisoners? Anyone?

    Like in Med 1/2 but better

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    How about better sieges, navigable rivers which can be used only by specific ships, and the ability to destroy the bridges in the campign map and deny your enemy an easy access?
    "we're way way pre-alpha and what that means is there is loads of features not just in terms of the graphics but also in terms of the combat and animations that actually aren't in the game yet.So the final game is actually gonna look way way better than this!” - James Russell, CA
    Just like the elephant animation, this Carthage scenario is actually in the game, it just has a small percantage factor for showing up, that's all...

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    Default Re: What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    How about better battlefields (particularly when fighting in campaign)? The red square which depicts the battlemap is shite in ETW and NTW, it has to be fixed up!

    This includes more varied battlemaps, more vegetation and hillsides (Japan is a mountainous land) and coastal battles.

    Cities should be accurately shown, with huge amounts of buildings and castles should also be given an overhaul.

    Finally on another note CA need to fix pathfinding issues in seiges and battlefields. Its a bloody state like ¬_¬

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    Default Re: What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    1. Get rid about this idea and make something good instead.

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    Default Re: What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    1)Bring back family trees, prisoniers, guilds
    2)all buildings should be garrisonable
    3)put Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria on the map, too. and the Portuguese&Dutch traders.
    4)more detailed building tree
    5)no fantasy crappy units. Let the mods take care of that, if they want.
    6)modding tools, ofc
    7)possibility to loot a town without holding it (just take the money, kill and let it to the rebels)
    8)Put the Silly Useless Guys to make Harakiri!
    9)gov types, like in EB, and better diplomacy
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    Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria? They only invaded Korea, and it was a complete fiasco, so including anything else apart from Japan doesn't make much sense.

    There's one government type - feudalism.

    I WANT DETAILED CASTLES!!!
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    Default Re: What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    Quote Originally Posted by Basileos Leandros I View Post
    Korea, Taiwan and Manchuria? They only invaded Korea, and it was a complete fiasco, so including anything else apart from Japan doesn't make much sense.

    There's one government type - feudalism.

    I WANT DETAILED CASTLES!!!
    But you could play as Korea or Mongols/Manchurians (Qing), too.

    In EB, the gov types were different from region to region: homeland, province, vassal, distant protectorate
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    Default Re: What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    The major thing they must do is get a handle on pathfinding issues relating to seiges. CA must make seiges fun, unique, and exciting rather than boring, monotonous, and a pain in the ass. New seige works, defensive structures and overall battlefield destructability is a must.

    I'd also like more soliders per unit. I've been waiting for more realistic battle sizes since RTW.

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    But if there are more units I will not be able to play the game on my 1970's computer

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    Oh boy,

    Fix:

    Cavalry path finding, issue since the beginnning.
    Sieges, the entire concept and every detail, start again, though I recall Med I being okay.
    Re enforcements, system is completely BROKEN; two french armies versus a British and Russian, oh sorry just one French army against two... If nothing else bring back the AI commanding one army like in RTW, AI + Human v AI + AI, probably more fair then Human v AI.

    Suicidal Generals, this is no longer amusing CA , every Total War the same issue? Really?

    How about just a smidgen of effort in regards to designing the big capital cities? A ten building London is just bloody slack.

    The transition from Campaign map to battle map. No I do not like having to attack when I'm being "intercepted" nor do I appreciate being on defense during a siege and starting with the French sitting inside my bloody city. Nor do I appreciate when I am in the city having the deployment zone half in half out and completely useless. Nor do I appreciate the complete breakdown in the strategic - tactical transition.

    Diplomacy, good effort has been made here so far, but again just unfinished and in strange ways; Make war option and make protectorate but without a make peace option or any say over your protectorates.


    Bring Back

    Prisoners and ransom
    Family trees, the government system as is is pointless and boring.
    Functioning character development and the in depth vices and virtues that were accurately based on battlefield or management performance.
    Varied and interesting battle terrain.


    Move forward?

    Isn't it time for an actual advancement on the other installments of TW? I appreciate decentralization of regions and the slight improvement of supply system, but is that about it in so far as differences between the start and end of the series? I sit here and am not even sure the series is going forward, so many great features have been lost and hardly any improvements made while the same damn bugs and inadequacies go on untouched game to game. For god's sake how is it that two bit modders (no offense I mean in relation to CA's resources) can churn out a decent CAI and BAI, while CA's seems to be going backwards?!?!

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    Default Re: What CA has to make to do a good shogun 2 total war!

    I'm pretty sure a lot of you aren't going to be happy reading about the hero units in this but: http://pc.ign.com/articles/109/1093664p1.html

    Here's a link to Sega's site: http://www.sega.co.uk/games/shogun-2-total-war/
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    From what I have read about Shogun II Total War, it will not be a global war like Empire. Featuring virtually ONLY Japan and its clans... I AM VERY, VERY, VERY!!! Dissapointed to here this news, I would rather CA advance in time periods, now after hearing this heart breaking, spine chilling, bone crushing news...
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    I'm extremely happy about the result...
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    Moved
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