A simple Question to all Members.

[jo the greek]

Tell me a country that when political or Economical reforms(and had negative aspect on people) were needed the people didnt reacted negative (democratic country)

[Heinz Guderian]

Czechoslovakia

[jo the greek]

Czechoslovakia

did the reforms effected negativly the people

[Heinz Guderian]

did the reforms effected negativly the people

i dont think so. And the Slovaks and Czechs got the chance of self determination

[Poach]

1930s Germany. It started off democractic and after the reforms was not so. Everyone was happy.

[jo the greek]

1930s Germany. It started off democractic and after the reforms was not so. Everyone was happy.

Except the Jews the communist and the gay

[Poach]

If you're going to reject every argument because such reforms didn't get 100% approval, then go ahead and riot in the streets. We all know what this thread is trying to justify.

[jo the greek]

If you're going to reject every argument because such reforms didn't get 100% approval, then go ahead and riot in the streets. We all know what this thread is trying to justify.

I thought i said

Reforms that negative aspect on people

before judging were the thread is going try to answer.

[Poach]

You don't think that the transition from Weimar Germany to Nazi Germany was a negative aspect for the German people?

[jo the greek]

You don't think that the transition from Weimar Germany to Nazi Germany was a negative aspect for the German people?

Are trying to trap me ?

[Poach]

Are trying to trap me ?

No I'm answering your question.

The democractic state of Weimar Germany went through political and economic reform during its transition to Nazi Germany. It was met with widespread approval, yet it was a great negative for not only the German people, but the world.

[jo the greek]

No I'm answering your question.

The democractic state of Weimar Germany went through political and economic reform during its transition to Nazi Germany. It was met with widespread approval, yet it was a great negative for not only the German people, but the world.

You dont Judge the question well your an swear is very macro historic

[s.rwitt]

Greeks are justified in destroying their own property and refusing to work in the midst of an economic crisis.

Happy Jo? Can we close this now?

[jo the greek]

The question is simple When reforms have a negative aspect on people

has ever existed a state that people didnt reacted ?

[Jom]

The question is simple When reforms have a negative aspect on people

has ever existed a state that people didnt reacted ?

It's arguable whether these reforms have a negative impact on people as the complete collapse of the Greek economy would be considerably more negative. If anything, these reforms are a positive step and people should be far-sighted enough to see it.

[jo the greek]

It's arguable whether these reforms have a negative impact on people as the complete collapse of the Greek economy would be considerably more negative. If anything these reforms are a positive step and people shout be far-sighted enough to see it.

Have you ever in world history seen a people that is far-sighted

Just yesterday was the memorial from fall of Constantinople read that to see how people reacted as example.

[Barry Goldwater]

The question is simple When reforms have a negative aspect on people

has ever existed a state that people didnt reacted ?

Probably not.

But who gives a flying ? They have -all to do with Greeks and their actions.

Other people being pricks doesn't make it OK for Greeks to do that too, and it definitely doesn't mean we can't call the Greek rioters out on their .

(No, it doesn't take a genius to figure out what you're trying to do here)

Anyway, I thought the majority of Greeks (64%) were cool with the austerity measures?

[Eastern Roman]

Anyway, I thought the majority of Greeks (64%) were cool with the austerity measures?

the polls are biased, and when they put the question like "Do you support the hard measures that are necessary to be taken if Greece is to recover the crisis or against them?" What do you thing the average common people to say "No, i want my country to burn down" ?

The Greek media and the non greek, as i see from you people, trying to pass that as they only way to solve the crisis is to tax the middle class and poor people more and as main problem that the greeks are lazy and not the political scandals that are taking place all these years and you people don't know, nor the corruption nor the low taxation on banks and big corporations.

How is that achieved? again by the media convincing the common people that there is not other option than voting the same corrupted politicians over and over and over and over again(!) as our only option, thus giving them legally the right to continue their dirty work.

The current government (party) for example was in power most of this bad years for Greece economy thus having the biggest responsibly (by time staying in power) of the situation. With the same people now in it are trying to convince the people that they had change and will do for the best of greece WHEN they are part of the problem

[MaximiIian]

The question is simple When reforms have a negative aspect on people
has ever existed a state that people didnt reacted ?

For one, that doesn't make it right, sane, or civilised to riot in the streets. Would you jump of a bridge if all your friends are doing it?

Secondly, your grammar is absolutely atrocious. It really does horrify me.

[Adar]

I just realized that Latvia and Lithuania have also been hurt very badly by the crisis. Before the Greek crash it was even considered the country in the EU with the most problems (source and source), they did demonstrate for the resignation of the government but they did not riot and did not oppose the necessary reforms.

And regarding the Lithuanian situation (source), I can even quote the cuts here:

Semeta reaffirmed the budget plan Friday.
"We are currently making our calculations. We'll have to cut the budget by several billion litas," he told reporters.
"The budget amendments will be ready soon, to keep the state's finances stable," he said.
Among the measures are a 10-percent pay cut for civil servants, he said. Moves announced earlier included reduced social security payments and hikes in value-added tax.

I was there 3 months later on vacation to visit some friends and they where pretty chivalric about the whole issue (it sucks but it is necessary).

So to summarize, nations who have suffered the same kind of things like Greece but without riots:
Sweden 1990
Ireland 2009
Latvia 2009
Lithuania 2009