GTX465 Reviews Thread

[Freddie]

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Z...TX_465/33.html

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...roduction.html

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum...ed-review.html

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforc...65-sli-review/

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...f100,2642.html

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3745/n...eforce-gtx-465


It would make a change one day for me to actually post a thread about Nvidia that was actually positive. If you don't want to read through all the reviews I'll give you a quick break down of this cards position.

If your in the market for a directX11 card but find the GTX470 and GTX480 inordinately expensive you might find that this card is for you. Slower then a Radeon HD5830 and more expensive then a HD5850, the GTX465 takes the unenviable crown of worst value for money video card previous enjoyed by the HD5830 with vengeance. In it's defence it does offer all the normal Nvidia features such as Cuda, PhysX and 3D vision which might make it a but more appetising for some buyers but even the most fanatical fan of Nvidia would be hard pressed to buy this over a GTX470.

[Jaketh]

did you even look at the benchmarks? in almost all of then the 465 was faster then the 5830 until you get to high resolutions then its about even, and in some games its as fast as a 5850

[Freddie]

If you want to take a view on the GTX465 look at in isolation and yes it does offer a good deal but as with everything video cards you have to compare it against the competition. In a few isolated examples it was as fast as the cheaper HD5850 but by and large it was competing against the HD5830.

At this time, in fact since early on in the product lifecycle, ATI and their partners have been marketing the new Radeons at an aggressive price point and although the GTX 465 is often in the performance area of the 5830 it is priced at a level only $10/£5 away from the 5850 and that provided better gaming performance in every one of our tests today.

At this point it’s impossible to recommend the GeForce GTX 465 for the average buyer. The extra $20 for a Radeon HD 5850 will buy a card that is cooler, quieter, and appropriately faster. Unless you’re on an edge case and need to be in the NVIDIA ecosystem for a specific reason such as CUDA, 3D Vision, or DX10/11 transparency anti-aliasing (more on this later this week), a 5850 is going to be the better card. NVIDIA is going to have to drive the feature differences between the GeForce GTX 400 series and the Radeon HD 5000 series to sell the GTX 465, as performance won’t do it.

A bit more favourable.

So let me sum things up, we feel the GeForce GTX 465 is a DX11 and OpenGL 4.0 viable card that can address the market really well. It's not really power consumption greedy, not at all noisy and will not run very hot. Game performance is really very respectable. However the culprit today at launch will be its price. For this product to be sold like hot buns from the oven, it will need to drop below the 250 USD/EUR marker even go to 200 USD/EUR. In SLI the sky is the limit, and you can achieve massive performance thanks to really good multi-GPU scaling. Recommended -- but barely.

When looking at pure price/performance, without the requirement of DirectX 11, the AMD HD 4890 and the GeForce GTX 275 seem to be the best deal right now. But if you must have DirectX 11, then the GTX 465 becomes a valid choice. Personally I find NVIDIA's price point of $279 a bit high, something like $249 or $229 would have been more appealing to many users who are torn between ATI and NVIDIA now. On the other hand I am sure that ATI has so much margins on the HD 5830 that a price war would be bad for both companies.

Honestly, I’m not sure what Nvidia was thinking with this one. Surely, its competitive analysis team ran these very same benchmarks and found the GeForce GTX 465 and Radeon HD 5830 trading blows. Surely, the same group of folks hopped online and saw Radeon HD 5830s selling for $220, going as low as $199 with rebates. How, then, did they decide that $279 was a good starting point for suggested pricing?

With Radeon HD 5850s available at $289, just $10 more, that’s unquestionably the route we’d take today.

The common thread coming out of these reviews and one that's been quickly picked up on the enthusiast community is the price, these GTX465 as classified as GF100's but to a lot people they look like rejected GTX480.470 candidates (which could mean there hidden cores waiting to be unlocked) hence why they are priced so highly. The UK the GTX465 is retailing at the same price as the HD5850 and in some cases nearly £20 more, this will be repeated all over Europe, at that price point it makes the GTX465 as hard sell, if the big N could slash it's price by £70 it would be more compelling.

[chase7417]

i would rather have a 5850

[mrcrusty]

Heh, like the other Fermi cards, the issue is price. Nvidia just don't know how to not overprice their cards.

When the cheapest HD 5830 can be found for $200 after rebate, when the average HD 5830 is $240 and they are all non stock, $279 is a really bad price to set since the cheapest non stock HD 5850 is only $10 more expensive.

Bad value. If they dropped the price down to $240 or $250, it would be more respectable. It's not worth it when 90% of games show a 2-3 fps difference from the HD 5830, and the other 10% are either worse than the HD 5830 or almost as good as the HD 5850.

I'd much rather get an HD 5850 or (can't believe I'm saying this) an HD 5830 and overclock it.

[HansDuet]

Yea not very impressive.

[Freddie]

I can think of at least one positive think to say about these cards.

[Awqa Puriq]

I can think of at least one positive think to say about these cards.

I can't. What is up with NVIDIA now? and to think just a few months ago I used to praise them. NVIDIA failed...again. AMD hasn't released any new graphic cards on the market, Imagine how royally ****ed NVIDIA is gonna be when/if AMD's next graphic card series come out and offered great value for money as their 5000 series.

[Freddie]

I can't.

There won't be any stock shortages.

It's not as if I'm a great ATI lover as I've nearly always bought Geforce cards and the only really bad one I've owned was the FX5700, over the years I've owned the GeForce 2 MX, Geforce 3 Ti 200, Geforce FX5700, Geforce 6800 GT, Geforce FX5200, Geforce 6600 GT and the Geforce 8800 GT and by and large have been happy. Before that I had the Voodoo 1 which if your not my age you just can't comprehended how cool that piece of kit was but what's annoyed me is not only the lack of value coming from nvidia but there whole approach to business which is just wrong. I'll stick to AMD for the time being but that's not say I won't buy another Nvidia product again, act ethically and I'll consider nvidia products if they don't then they have lost a customer.

What is up with NVIDIA now? and to think just a few months ago I used to praise them. NVIDIA failed...again. AMD hasn't released any new graphic cards on the market, Imagine how royally ****ed NVIDIA is gonna be when/if AMD's next graphic card series come out and offered great value for money as their 5000 series.

The next couple of years are important for Nvidia as they face a lot of competition not only from AMD but also from Intel. Both AMD & Intel will be offering CPU's with onboard GPU functionality which will effectively end the need for low end video cards, Intel have all but ended Nvidia based Intel compatible chipsets (law suit pending) so Nvidia are trying to counter this by diversifying into new areas like GP-GPU. Even there though Intel have just announced a 50 core version of Larrabee which will be super fast for running application in parallel and will have the advantage of being x86 based so developers won't have to re-write code to work on video card.

On the consumer side the engineers and cost accountants really do need to talk to each other, the Fermi die is to big and to complicated to manufacture efficiently, latest reports claim Nvidia is now getting 20% yields on the 40nm process and AMD is now getting the same yields as it was getting on 65nm, which gives AMD a massive price advantage, which at the moment there not fully utilising as there's no pressure from Nvidia. AMD gets more chips per $7500 silicon wafer as Evergreen is physically smaller then Fermi and more of them are functional. The move to 28nm is an important one for Nvidia they need a smaller die and better yields in order to get more competitive, Fermi is a solid design that has a few teething problems that you get with first generation products hopefully these will be ironed out by next year. However if Nvidia doesn't get it right and we get another repeat of the 40nm/DX11 G1 battle, Nvidia could easily find itself in second place in the discrete video card market, it already lost 8.4% last quarter according to John Peddle research which is huge jump for just 3 months.

[HansDuet]

I can't. What is up with NVIDIA now? and to think just a few months ago I used to praise them. NVIDIA failed...again. .

GTX470 is pretty solid card IMO. 480 is overpriced and 465 is underpowered.

[Awqa Puriq]

Yes but honestly unless you would use PhysX (Although not a reason, there are ways) CUDA or 3D would you really spend about $50 more on a card that runs hotter, takes more power, and only has about what, 3% increase performance. Although I have always preferred SLI over Crossfire, so in a dual GPU case I would take the 470 SLI. Besides overclocking a GPU now is pretty simple and effortless (well at least with some programs that allow some overclocking) so a 5850 could reach 5870 potential and still maintain lower temperature. I'm not trying to stomp on NVIDIA, they are awesome, I've always liked...well used to liked them anyways until their recent mistake with the, oh so hyped, GTX 400 series. I'm siding with Freddie, NVIDIA has always been great but right now AMD is gonna be taking my money. To be honest i never thought AMD would get such a jump over NVIDIA in such a small amount of time.

[mrcrusty]

Lol, it's like Nvidia is physically incapable of pricing their cards at a decent level, especially in overseas markets.

ATI Radeon 5830

Nvidia GTX 465

ATI Radeon 5850

[HansDuet]

I see now Finland has this card too.

Cheapest GTX465 = 301€
Cheapest GTX470 = 360€