Anschluss

[Armenum]

This is a continuation of a conversation in another thread, I made separate topic because it was off topic in the other thread.

It was not just like that. The Austrians would have never supported to use the military against the Germans. The (peoples) movement for the unification of all German speaking countires is a lot older even than the German National Assembly in 1848/49.

Remember the Anschlussverbot (interdiction of unification) by the Entente victors after WWI:

Artikel 88 des Vertrages von Saint-Germain (paragraph 88 of the treaty of St. Germain):
"Die Unabhängigkeit Österreichs ist unabänderlich, es sei denn, daß der Rat des Völkerbundes einer Abänderung zustimmt. Daher übernimmt Österreich die Verpflichtung, sich, außer mit Zustimmung des gedachten Rates, jeder Handlung zu enthalten, die mittelbar oder unmittelbar oder auf irgendwelchem Wege, namentlich – bis zu seiner Zulassung als Mitglied des Völkerbundes – im Wege der Teilnahme an den Angelegenheiten einer anderen Macht seine Unabhängigkeit gefährden könnte."
(I haven't got enough time to translate it)

You see, Austria itslef was not allowed to unify with Germany, it needed the approval of the League of Nations. Why would one add such an article in the treaty of St. Germain, if the allied nations didn't fear that the Austrian people democratically decided to unify with Germany?

The Anschluss was widely accepted and celebrated by Austrians and Germans. You need to realise that after WW2 the Austrian state propganda tried to do everything to separate Austrian from German culture and to break links, which had existed unquestionably for hundreds of years.

I believe during the economic state at the time such a union was heavily desired, especially by Austrians. So it is natural that such a clause was put in. I believe if the economic situation was much better the desire for unification would be much lower. Also, it is interesting to note that in order make the Anschluss work Hitler had to forcibly replace several members in government, especially ones at the top. Obviously, the Austrian Government had been divided on the issue and there were actually classes between the Austro Fascists and their opponents.

I believe though the Anschluss shouldn't make void the many years of Austrian Kingship and independence. After all the unification only lasted few years while Austrian Empire and Hapsburg dominated Austria lasted quite a long time.

Ask your granddad if he remembers it positively, I'm sure he does. It's bad that the later generations obviously believe in victors propaganda to some degree, that Germany viciously annexed Austria.

He was I believe around 11 years old during Hitler's speech. He remembers the great excitement that had taken hold of Vienna, due also to the great speaking skills of Hitler. Yes a positive memory. and there's not denying that this was a positive day for many Austrians, but this process took time..

[ShockBlast]

It is sad that they drifted so far,Austrians are ethnic Germans no matter what they think.No one should have the power to decide what a country is allowed to do and not.This act is in direct violation of Germany's and Austria's suveranity.

[Armenum]

It is sad that they drifted so far,Austrians are ethnic Germans no matter what they think.No one should have the power to decide what a country is allowed to do and not.This act is in direct violation of Germany's and Austria's suveranity.

Well it's history. Austria has almost always been separate from the main Germany. This has given opportunity for a separate Austrian identity to form. This has also happened in many other nations, groups are sometimes formed because of political separation. When that separation exists for a long period of time your have two different people form.

[Mangalore]

Well it's history. Austria has almost always been separate from the main Germany. ...

Apart from the Rheinbund not until 1866 until which the German Austria lands were part of the domain of the German empire and the rest of the Habsburg domains were not (Bohemia,too, though they got juggled around a bit). After that moreso, in comparison both cultures are still comparatively close though, esspecially given the federalism in germany and the fact that all the other parts of German were own principalties (and Austria only one of those) as well.

[Lützower]

This is a continuation of a conversation in another thread, I made separate topic because it was off topic in the other thread.

I believe during the economic state at the time such a union was heavily desired, especially by Austrians. So it is natural that such a clause was put in. I believe if the economic situation was much better the desire for unification would be much lower. Also, it is interesting to note that in order make the Anschluss work Hitler had to forcibly replace several members in government, especially ones at the top. Obviously, the Austrian Government had been divided on the issue and there were actually classes between the Austro Fascists and their opponents.

I believe though the Anschluss shouldn't make void the many years of Austrian Kingship and independence. After all the unification only lasted few years while Austrian Empire and Hapsburg dominated Austria lasted quite a long time.

There are always people who oppose things, but when it comes to the Anschluss it was a small minority. The Anschlussverbot (unification interdiction by the Entente) is a significant evidence that the majority of Austrians saw the Anschluss as something positive. You shouldn't forget the centuries long struggle about the German question and Austria always played a significant role in it.

It's not just the economic problems after WWI, as I said there existed a generally accepted movement in Austria already in the 18th century and even more in the 19th century, which wanted to be part of a German nation.

I don't deny that the Habsburg empire lasted long, but Austrians always in their whole history shared extremely close links and ties to Germany or historically more correct the various German states. Austria, just as Germany can't be separated from the history of the Holy Roman Empire. The demand of the people to form a unified German nation state was strong in Austria of the 19th century and even before as everywhere else in cultural German and German speaking countries.

The various German nations, especially Prussia and Austria struggled about the German solution for a long time. So the will to unify existed long before the economic crisis in the aftermath of WWI!

Naturally the Habsburgian Empire didn't want to give up the non-German speaking possessions, which would have been the price for a Großdeutsche Lösung (Greater German solution). Next to the fact that Prussia opposed Austria, since the Austrian empire would have threatened the Prussian voting majority in the German National Assembly.

So it's the question, if an independent Austria is really more dominating than all the things Austria and Germany have in common until this very day, even despite the massive post WW2 Austrian state propganda, which wanted to break ties with Germany.

He was I believe around 11 years old during Hitler's speech. He remembers the great excitement that had taken hold of Vienna, due also to the great speaking skills of Hitler. Yes a positive memory. and there's not denying that this was a positive day for many Austrians, but this process took time..

Indeed.

It is sad that they drifted so far,Austrians are ethnic Germans no matter what they think.No one should have the power to decide what a country is allowed to do and not.This act is in direct violation of Germany's and Austria's suveranity.

QFT

[Nizam89]

Austria has a long history. It's older than germany.
Today most austrians (almost 90 %) see themselves as a own nation.
There is no need for any "Anschluss" cause the mayority is against this.
Okay they speak german but in vienna plenty of people aren't truly germans.
Its common to have names like "...insky" or "Platzek" in vienna. --> heritage of the habsburg monarchy.

[Amagi]

I am quoting from my "The myth that germany triggered WWII thread.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

In the following years Hitler proposed during the geneva disarmament
negotiations for 6 times, to limit the quantitiy of certain weapon categories
as bombers, artillery cannons and other weapons for all nation states.
When his proposal fails, he starts to rebuilt the small Reichswehr to a
strong and modern Wehrmacht.


Hitlers next foreign political step is the attachment of austria. As this
step is unisono labelled as "annexation", it makes sense to remind of the
historical contexts.


Untill the prusso- austrian war of 1866, austria had a unitity with first
the german empire, and adjacently with the Bund. After the defat of
1918,and the annulment of the Habsburg reich, the victors decimate
habsburg to its german speaking core: Austria.

The first national assembly of vienna decided the re- attachement of rest
austria to the german neighbour state. Referendums in some austrian
federal districts document the overwhelming support in the population for
such a step. But the right of self- determination of the peoples did not
count for the defeated. The re-attachement failed due to the categorical
negliance of the victors.

In 1933 a conservative dictatorship emerged in austria, which abandonded
the right to vote, and denied the attachment to the german reich.

The despotic acting austrian chancellor Dr. Dollfuß prohibited the trade
unions and parties of the social democrats, aswell as the parties of the
national socialists and the communists. During a putsch of austrian
national socialits in July 1934, and trying to arrest Dollfuß, the
dictator gets shot.

In march 1938 Dollfuß successor Dr. Schuschnigg
tried to undermine austrias will to attach to the reich by means of a very
strange referendum. On March 9th, 1938 he announced a nationwide
referendum on the question of attachment to the reich in just 4 days time,
on march 13th.
For this referendum, there were no electoral registers,supervision of the
election stay solely in the hands of his very own party. Citizens in
public service were ordered to only go to the referendum under supervision
of their superiours. Furtehrmore they should display their filled
referendum ballots to their respective superiour- ballot papers where one
could only vote against re- attachement of austria to the german reich.
Voters that wanted to vote for re- attachment to the reich, ahd to
manufacture their own ballots.


(*Read: everything for austria- WITHOUT Schuschnigg*)
Austria´s homesecretary and national socialist Dr. Seiß Inquart
demanded 3 times in vain from Chancellor Schuschnigg, to postpone the
referendum and to hold it in a way according to the constitution.
Schuschnigg denied this categorically.
Finally Seiß Inquart contacted his german colleage, homescretary Göhring,
who lived a part of his youth in austria. He forwarded the newest
developments to Hitler.

Göhring, having lived in austria in his youth, and
Hitler, beeing born in the austrian town of Braunau, watched Schuschniggs
attempts of manipulation with dismay. All attempts to convince Schuschnigg
to resign failed. Just as Göhring threatened to let german troops march
in, Schuschnigg resingned his post as chancellor of austria.


During the morning hours of the following day, german troops march flower
decorated and displayed with colors towards Salzburg, Linz and Innsbruck,
where they are greeted with cheer and tears of joy from the austrian
people.

When Hitler arrives in Vienna the next day, the austrians welcome him triumphantly.

Hitler:
Quote:
"The oldest east- mark of the german people, shall from now on be the youngest bastion of the german nation and hence the german reich.
I shall, in this hour of the german people, announce my greatest success:
As the leader and the chancellor of the german nation and the reich, I announce in front of germany´s history, the entrance of my homeland into the german reich"

Almost in the same time, austiran troops enter Munich, dresden, Stuttgart, and berlin- as sign to the world, that here a peaceful reunification is going on but not a conquest. In march 13th, the in the meantime appointed chancellor of austria- Seiss Inquardt, and Hitler sign a law concernign the attachment of austria to the german reich. Affirmation for this step is catched up by means of a nation wide referendum on 10th of april, 1939:
99,73% vote for the attachement. That much on "annexation of austria"...

[Lützower]

Austria has a long history. It's older than germany.
Today most austrians (almost 90 %) see themselves as a own nation.
There is no need for any "Anschluss" cause the mayority is against this.
Okay they speak german but in vienna plenty of people aren't truly germans.
Its common to have names like "...insky" or "Platzek" in vienna. --> heritage of the habsburg monarchy.

Why this amount of sheer ignorance for the history, heritage and culture of the host country coming from an immigrant Turkish Muslim boy doesn't surprise me at all?

[Dr. Croccer]

Why this amount of sheer ignorance for the history, heritage and culture of the host country coming from an immigrant Turkish Muslim boy doesn't surprise me at all?

I'm fairly sure that he's correct. Regionalism is strong enough in Germany alone, I doubt that most Austrians regard themselves as ''Germans'' when they have their own history going back centuries. Comparing the situation in the 30s with today or before is silly as well.

[ShockBlast]

I'm fairly sure that he's correct. Regionalism is strong enough in Germany alone, I doubt that most Austrians regard themselves as ''Germans'' when they have their own history going back centuries. Comparing the situation in the 30s with today or before is silly as well.

It still doesn't change the fact that Austrians are ethnic Germans,nationality and ethnicity are two different things.
If the people want it then those two should unite,even if it will not change much, it will be a morale boost and show that after all this time ethnic Germans can stay united and not cling to artificial notions like nationalism the same rabid nationalism and narrow minded thinking that held the Germans back for almost a millennium.

[Amagi]

the same rabid nationalism and narrow minded thinking that held the Germans back for almost a millennium.

LOL WUT!?

I will not get into a holo-debate here, but Friedrich Paul Berg hits the nail on it´s head:

The word “hoax” in its harshest sense applies to what was done after WW2. Although there may have never been a formal meeting to hatch the hoax, that was not even needed. There certainly was an “incredible meeting of minds, a consensus—mindreading by a far-flung bureaucracy” (words lifted from Raul Hilberg) among the victors, and especially among the Jews. The tale of the six million was to be a huge dead albatross around the necks of the entire German people (not just the "nazis") to “keep them down” forever. Whether the hoaxers actually believed their own propaganda and outright lies hardly mattered. The Germans, the most civilized people and most highly educated people on the planet, had to be “re-educated” and ”democratized” by people who had themselves committed far worse atrocities than anything the Nazis were ever accused of committing. Those same victors also continued to hold hundreds of millions of people in virtual slavery and misery. The hoax has succeeded perfectly. Germany which had contributed far more to human enlightenment in its brief period of independence than any other country from its founding in 1871 until 1945—was reduced to making expensive automobiles and machinery, and enslaved with guilt and endless payments and apologies to people who were never exterminated to begin with.

Friedrich Paul Berg

During a dinner with French General Alphonse Juin in August, Patton was surprised to find the Frenchman in agreement with him. His diary entry for August 18 quotes Gen. Juin: "It is indeed unfortunate, mon General, that the English and the Americans have destroyed in Europe the only sound country -- and I do not mean France. Therefore, the road is now open for the advent of Russian communism."

Later diary entries and letters to his wife reiterate this same conclusion. On August 31 he wrote: "Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe. it's a choice between them and the Russians. I prefer the Germans." And on September 2: "What we are doing is to destroy the only semi-modern state in Europe, so that Russia can swallow the whole."

Eisenhower responded immediately to the press outcry against Patton and made the decision to relieve him of his duties as military governor and "kick him upstairs" as the commander of the Fifteenth Army. In a letter to his wife on September 29, Patton indicated that he was, in a way, not unhappy with his new assignment, because "I would like it much better than being a sort of executioner to the best race in Europe."

General Patton

The germans got liberated indeed. Liberated from their freedom from debt slavery, liberated from 1/3 of her territories, liberated from some 15.000 billions worth of patents, liberated from her souvereignity till this day and liberated from her national identity that was replaced by a guilt cult based on nothing but lies. The "so called" de-nazification was in reality a psy warfare operation by the CIA, after the genocidal policies proposed by Morgenthau, Hull and the other jews did not pass due to a residue of conscience amongst the anglo saxons.

I am in high favor for the Anschluss of austria to germany, but before that, the NGO called "Federal republic of germany" needs to dissappear. The current regime running germany has NO RIGHT to do so. The federal republic was founded with the intention, to rule the crushed western fragment of the western german reich as a caretakergovernment. But it was NEVER INTENDED nor is it LEGALLY OBLIGED to call herself predecessor of the Reich. The german Reich- as ruled out by germany´s highest court- still exists within the 1937 borders, but lacks institutional representation. When in 1990 west and middle (not "east" germany, east germany is occupied by poland) germany "reunited", the FRG would have had to desintegrate, and a Reich government had had to take over.
There is still no peace treaty, because the current german administration doesnt have the legal means to do such deals! Only a legal government of the reich can do that.Understandably there is no intention from the victors of WW2 to see a strong independent germany, and the ruling administration does not want to be put where she rightfully belongs: In prisson for treason.

[Their Law]

It still doesn't change the fact that Austrians are ethnic Germans,nationality and ethnicity are two different things.
If the people want it then those two should unite,even if it will not change much, it will be a morale boost and show that after all this time ethnic Germans can stay united and not cling to artificial notions like nationalism the same rabid nationalism and narrow minded thinking that held the Germans back for almost a millennium.

Ethnicity does not equate to kinship. Austria has developed it's own separate cultural identity, that has as much to do with it's historical situation. It may have a 'German' origin but most of it's recent cultural development has been in 'opposition' to the development of a German nation. Call me rabid, but i think that the political views of the people should define their nationality not some arbitrary genetic origin.

[Lützower]

I'm fairly sure that he's correct. Regionalism is strong enough in Germany alone, I doubt that most Austrians regard themselves as ''Germans'' when they have their own history going back centuries. Comparing the situation in the 30s with today or before is silly as well.

Regionalism isn't that strong in Germany, at least it doesn't go as far as f.e. in France or Spain where certain regions even don't regard themselves as French/Spanish.
There is no separate Austrian history for centuries. Austria was part of the HRE (which after all lasted untill 1806), the Kaiser in fact was the house Habsburg and even afterwards in the Deutscher Bund Austria played a huge role in inner German politics. From 1866 until WW2 Austria wasn't really separate. The only real separate history of Austria is post WW2 and this only due to massive state propaganda in order to break ties and to cover up the Nazi past. Obviously today some people seem to believe in this idiotic propaganda that Austrians are no Germans.

Austria has been on a parallel cultural strand for a long time. It has it's roots in the umbrella term German culture but is not German in itself, an apt analogy could be French and Walloon or Dutch and Flemish or even Dutch and German though that cultural split is much more pronounced.

Uh, no. Austria hasn't been a "parallel cultural strand", it was just another German strand as there have been and still are Swabian, Bavarian, Hessian, Hanseatic, Saxon etc... strands. But they're all German and Austrian culture is German in itself!

While it's true that Austria shares allot of it's history with Germany it's worth pointing out that retro-labelling Germany as unified block can lead to some issues. Germany and Austria share a history in as much as Austria and Bavaria would, or Austria and Hannover. The fact of the matter is that for the vast majority of the time in which both states existed they have been viewed as separate cultural blocks often defining themselves by opposition to the other.

What are you talking about? Can you anyhow back your absolutely unhistoric claim that "they have been viewed as separate cultural blocks"? That may be your mere opinion, the one of a Johnny Foreigner, who apparently overrates his little knowledge about German history. The statement of yours is not true at all, since Austria was always regarded as part of the German culture (before post-WW2 separatist propaganda undoubtly by the vast majority of Austrians as well). If you refer to the German Dualism (Deutscher Dualismus) you obviously didn't understand it, while the historic term itself already says it all: German Dualism!

It may have a 'German' origin but most of it's recent cultural development has been in 'opposition' to the development of a German nation. Call me rabid, but i think that the political views of the people should define their nationality not some arbitrary genetic origin.

Not "may", it does have German origin and the culture is German as we've seen. As a true leftist you naturally oppose the idea of nation states based on ethnicity. Today the left in the West succeeded in their goal to destroy the old unique nation states by unrestricted mass immigration.

[Their Law]

Uh, no. Austria hasn't been a "parallel cultural strand", it was just another German strand as there have been and still are Swabian, Bavarian, Hessian, Hanseatic, Saxon etc... strands. But they're all German and Austrian culture is German in itself!

You've just backed up my point with your own rebuttal. Austria has been on a parallel cultural strand because German culture as a definition is an umbrella term covering as you've pointed above many different regional cultures each of those regional cultures is on a parallel strand, though all come under the German culture. What i argued that towards the modern fay the difference between Austrian and German (the nation not the culture) has become more pronounced.

What are you talking about? Can you anyhow back your absolutely unhistoric claim that "they have been viewed as separate cultural blocks"? That may be your mere opinion, the one of a Johnny Foreigner, who apparently overrates his little knowledge about German history. The statement of yours is not true at all, since Austria was always regarded as part of the German culture (before post-WW2 separatist propaganda undoubtly by the vast majority of Austrians as well). If you refer to the German Dualism (Deutscher Dualismus) you obviously didn't understand it, while the historic term itself already says it all: German Dualism!

Actually i studied early modern German history as part of my university degree last year. So i do have some knowledge of what i am talking about. Perhaps the phrase cultural block was misguided but it intended to denote that they were in an 'either or' situation. You accepted Prussian or Austrian influence, when Prussia become the victor of the two in terms of political influence then Austria becomes the outside culture. Also i'd appreciate if you keep you foreigner bigotry to yourself. Just because i live in the UK doesn't mean i can't understand other countries.

Not "may", it does have German origin and the culture is German as we've seen. As a true leftist you naturally oppose the idea of nation states based on ethnicity. Today the left in the West succeeded in their goal to destroy the old unique nation states by unrestricted mass immigration.

Right, okay so we'll just return to defining states based on ethnicity because that's clearly worked in the Balkans and the Middle East. Stop trying to hide your xenophobia in political spiel. It's not fooling anyone.

[Dr. Croccer]

Regionalism isn't that strong in Germany, at least it doesn't go as far as f.e. in France or Spain where certain regions even don't regard themselves as French/Spanish.

That's because they aren't French or Spanish. Regions like th Pais Vasco, Andalusia, Galicia and Catalonia in Spain, and Nord-pas-de-Calais, Brittany, Occitania, Lyonnais, Alsace and Corsica in France are ethnically different and have been for centuries

[Lützower]

Having ties to Austria myself, I can say that in theory from an outsiders perspective Austrians, Swiss, and Germans can all be put under one label. However, when "inside the loop" it's different. Austrians see themselves as different from Germans (and this I can clearly say is the sentiment among Austrians), and Germans from Austrians, and Austrians from Swiss, etc. The differences are minor, but are still amplified those differences. The biggest set of differences lie in the Bavarian-Austrian culture and Northern German culture I would say. But the biggest difference in all is the political divide which has existed for many years. This situation is similar to situation between Azerbaijan and Turkey I would say.

True, but you're half Austrian yourself afaik, so you can tell from the viewpoint of an insider, too
2 remarks: Switzerland is a different story, naturally the German speaking Swiss share ties with southwestern Germany (Baden) and the French Alsace since those 3 regions are old Alemannic territories, but Switzerland made its own way very early, already in the late middle age. Enough time to really develop an independent culture. While Austria only got the post WW2 timeframe - but as it seems that was already enough to destroy the huge amount of commonalities.
In general there is a difference between northern German lands and southern ones, but nevertheless they're all undoubtly German.
Traditionally Austria and the southern Germans like Bavarians, Swabians, Hessians used to be close allies, and these states rather sided with Austria than Prussia. The Rhine Main line used to be the Austrian influence sphere untill the foundation of the German Reich.
But you'll find these north south differences and in most other countries, too. In France or Italy there is a quite big north south divide, too.

I don't know about the rest of Austria, but Vienna is definitely a stew of all Eastern and Central Europeans (legacy of huge Hapsburg Empire). now Salzburg could be whole another matter. Austria is not as homogeneous as you may think. A typical Viennese Austrian thinks of himself as distinctly Austrian, and not zee German.

Look at any European capital, same everywhere. F.e. Brussels is about to loose its unique character, 68% of its inhabitants are foreigners with Muslims making up the biggest group, in 10 years it will be 85%.

Germany isn't homogeneous any more, too, just like any other western country, which is ruthlessly transformed into a multi cultural society and whose uniqueness is going to be destroyed by unrestricted immigration.

[Nizam89]

It’s clearly descending: 100% Turk, secondly Muslim and last Austrian citizen. He doesn't feel Austrian at all. You also didn't understand "my" rules at all.

U sound like an ultra nationalist.

Why this amount of sheer ignorance for the history, heritage and culture of the host country coming from an immigrant Turkish Muslim boy doesn't surprise me at all?

Have you been in austria and asked the austrians what they think about the "Anschluss" ? Do you have any austrian friends? Well I have and they share the same view (commonly every austrian).
I was born and raised in Vienna and I know the situation and the relationship of germans and austrians very well. They aren't enemies but they don't like each other after 1866 battle of Königgreatz. The austrians call the germans "Piefke", because of an prussian general who was nearly invading vienna after Königgreatz. U use Piefke only to make fun of germans (in an negativ way). Also the austrians don't like being treated like the smaller brother of germany. They are proud people and they have their unique culture. U can't compare vienna with any other german city. The habsburg buildings, the glorios Boulevard called "Ringstraße" and of course tha habsburg resident tells it own tale.

And austria has a longer history:
It was mentioned already in the 10th century called "ostarrichi".

And also:

There is an austrian proverb:

"The true people of vienna has a foreign surname"

You know why: Because of names like "...ek" and "insky" or "...arth" (hungarian)

In Austria, the Right Wing (sympathetic to Nazism) is a factor in national politics, more so than in Germany at least. Remember Jörg Haider? At this point in time, I see it all the German speaking Countries being under one basic German culture and between certain regions there being fine differences within that German culture. Like the differences between Bavarian and Northern German culture. Over the years however Austrians have been able to forge an identity for themselves, and this is important to consider. And no longer will Austrians say that they feel they have to be part of Greater Germany (except far right nuts). The Psyche of the Austrians has changed with the new generations.

That's exactly what I am talking about. The austrian culture is an habsburg culture.

[Razor]

U sound like an ultra nationalist.


Have you been in austria and asked the austrians what they think about the "Anschluss" ? Do you have any austrian friends? Well I have and they share the same view (commonly every austrian).
I was born and raised in Vienna and I know the situation and the relationship of germans and austrians very well. They aren't enemies but they don't like each other after 1866 battle of Königgreatz. The austrians call the germans "Piefke", because of an prussian general who was nearly invading vienna after Königgreatz. U use Piefke only to make fun of germans (in an negativ way). Also the austrians don't like being treated like the smaller brother of germany. They are proud people and they have their unique culture. U can't compare vienna with any other german city. The habsburg buildings, the glorios Boulevard called "Ringstraße" and of course tha habsburg resident tells it own tale.

And austria has a longer history:
It was mentioned already in the 10th century called "ostarrichi".

And also:

There is an austrian proverb:

"The true people of vienna has a foreign surname"

You know why: Because of names like "...ek" and "insky" or "...arth" (hungarian)


That's exactly what I am talking about. The austrian culture is an habsburg culture.

Austrians are Germans who call themselves Austrians. It's as simple as that. The outcome of WW2 and the coming of new generations that grow up as Austrian has made sure Austria is separate from Germany today. Many differences are merely artificial because someone from Bavaria would have more in common with Austria than Mecklenburg. But sure if they think that they're not German, but Austrian then to them that is what counts.

BTW, Germania was already used by the ancient Romans. But doesn't matter. Germany is more like an umbrella under which Austria would fit just like Bavaria and Hannover does. Teutons and Franks and Alamanni were also put under the umbrella of "German tribes".

[Thorn777]

Its common to have names like "...insky" or "Platzek" in vienna. --> heritage of the habsburg monarchy.

We have lots of those troughout the country as well: Klaus Kinski, Matula, Stan Libuda, Dirk Nowitzki, Bali(c)tsch and so on.

[RomanSoldier9001]

Bring on the Anschluss! Withoud Austria German reunification is not complete!