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    Default Where do I send my Byzantium merchants?

    Things have changed a little bit in SS compared to the original game, I use to send my merchants to Timbukto, however that settlement is no longer there. And the couple of silk resources near Constantinople aren't doing as well as they used to. They are both generating 74 florins per turn with level 3 merchants which is kind of poor.. Does anyone know where I can send my merchants for maximum profit? A settlement name, location and resource name would be appreciated..That's if you know of course..thanks...

    ps..Don't give me region names, I don't know what they are, just settlement names...
    Last edited by Neptune7; May 30, 2010 at 11:06 PM.

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    Belgrade. It has a gold mine and a salt mine. Be sure to at least grab that gold (it's south west from the city itself). Also there's a silver mine a bit south of Trebizond. Both reasonably close to Constantinople, and very profitable. I hope that helps.
    P.S. salt in Belgrade is west from the city.
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    Gold. Byzantine does very well with gold. Closest gold is Belgrade as mentioned above. Your merchant should be able to reach in 5 turns I think. There is also gold south of Gaza near Red Sea and in Morocco N of where Timbukto used to be. Also ivory in Africa. I think Byzantines enjoy salt and spices next. Silk, sugar, fish/wine a bit less. The rest from what I remember is not as desirable. The silk near Byz is still useful for 2 reasons though... trains up your low level merchants until you get a merchants guild and denies a couple thousands florins to your likely enemies/neighbors. Glass might be decent as well. I think I usually send merchants to Belgrade first, then the silk near Constantinople, then move those merchants to N Africa dropping 1 or 2 off in Sicily/Italy and thereafter new merchants to silk to gain a level or 2 and after to the next profitable. The gold in Gaza is usually taken by a good Egyptian or Turkish merchant so you should send at least level 4 merchant there or also an assassin. 4 level and higher merchants are usually left alone by AI due to poor odds of seizing there assets. If you leave out of sight of resource on end turn next turn moving onto it will push current merchant off.
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    Default Re: Where do I send my Byzantium merchants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune7 View Post
    Things have changed a little bit in SS compared to the original game, I used to send my merchants to Timbukto, however that settlement is no longer there. And the couple of silk resources near Constantinople aren't doing as well as they used to. They are both generating 74 florins per turn with level 3 merchants which is kind of poor.. Does anyone know where I can send my merchants for maximum profit? A settlement name, location and resource name would be appreciated..That's if you know of course..thanks...

    ps..Don't give me region names, I don't know what they are, just settlement names...
    Here's an excerpt from Stainless Steel Standards....

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 


    IX. Merchants
    - Minimal extra effort on your part can net you between say $4,000 to $10,000+ per turn just from your merchants. If that dozen’t sound worthwhile to you go ahead and skip this section……

    Kay since your still here let’s get started….

    1. Become a reload prince - Leveling up your merchants is going to require winning acquisition battles. If your gonna be a purist and not reload, getting your merchants leveled up is going to be rough.
    2. Select your merchant center and only recruit merchants from there. This will ensure you get the Merchant guild and that you get the Merchant guild Headquarters. {gives you more merchants and makes your merchant highly skilled. Plus more trade stuffs for that settlement.}
    3. Check the board and see where the money’s at. Each faction has a different set of favorite resources.
    4. Build the Market place line of building in your “Merchant center” for better quality merchants.

    Here's a quality guide to MTWII Merchants: "The glory of Merchants" by Landtuber Merchant Guide


    X. Free AI Construction: Please be aware of and take full advantage of the free construction that the AI does for your bennefit...

    1. Rebels & Factions: If you keep an eye on your independent neighbors, you'all notice that they build their little fiefdoms with as much gusto as you do.

    2. Every so often the AI builds up a province with better precision than you can. Let them....Example: Playing as the Turks, the Byzantines have taken the Castle next to Inconicum and have it garrisoned plus a Governor. They're happily maxing out construction while the Governor is providing a growth rate of 3.5%, not too shabby for a castle. Since it's really not bothering my position I happily leave them to it, til such time as I deem the province, "Harvest ready".

    We all need a little help now and again, so when the AI inadvertently helps you out please accept their gracious offer...


    XI. Resources: Each faction has a decided preference for certain types of trading goods. Below is a basics list of some of the trade goods
    and their locations…

    Gold: Marrakesh, al Aqaba, Urgench, Yelabuga, & Belgrade
    Silk: Constantinople, Nicea, Ankara, Iconium, Adana, Trebizond, Damascus, Alexandria, Bagdad, Luxor, & Aleppo.
    Amber: Arhus, Oslo, Skara, Kalmar, Novgorod, Riga, Vinus, Mensk, Plock, & Krakow.
    Spices: Medina, Jerusalem, Aleppo, Bagdad, Basra, Al-mu Miniya, Medina, & Damascus.
    Glass: Frankfurt, Venice, & Damascus.
    Ivory: Konjikala & Belebu el Anab
    Marble: Bologna, Genoa, Rome, Corinth, arta, Pamplona, Lisbon, & Nicosia.
    Slaves: Kerak, Benghazi, Tripoli, Kermanshah, Sarkel, & Caffa.
    Silver: Vienna, Calgiari, Melilla, Hamburg, Bergen, Galway, Visby, Brason.
    Salt: Leon, Rennes, York, Burges, Hamburg, Krakow, & Belgrade.
    Sugar: Alexandria, Cordoba, Palermo, Adrianople, Ankara, & Antioch.

    Merchant’s Bazaar: here’s a list of basic favorites for different factions’ Merchants.

    Byzantium: Gold, Glass,
    Denmark/Norway: Marble
    Egypt: Salt, amber, silver, iron, ivory, fish. {gold, glass, & spices, but not when you move the capital to Jeruselam}.
    England: Silver, gold, glass, amber
    HRE: sugar, cloth,
    Italians: Genoa, Sicily, Venice: Gold, Silk, & Amber,,
    K-Shah: Gold, glass, marble, ivory, spice
    Moors: Glass, Gold, amber, ivory, textiles.
    Turks: gold, ivory, salt, amber, glass, & {fish and slaves. Not so much.}
     
     


    In my Byzantine game I totaly raped spice, glass, gold trade in the Levant {Middle East} to the tune of about
    $10,000-$12,000 per turn by turn 35-40...

    Btw... Stainless Steel Standards.... http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=329518

    Become a reload, Merchant Prince and live the good life. Micro-managing FTW...
    Last edited by Mega Tortas de Bodemloze; May 30, 2010 at 04:05 PM.

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    I like to send them to the Baltic region to trade in Amber. Seems like the perfect balance of high value resource and distance form Miklagaard. Other resources like Gold, Silk, Spices, and Glass are fairly close, though the Silk nodes in the Marmara region can still be worth it. Well those resources are worth it, not just as much as say when playing England or Norway.
    Oh marble is pretty good as well.

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    i usually use toggle_fow at turn 2 or 5, since at turn 1, the prices are wrong for some reason...

    anyway, i then check, with a merchant selected, how much each resource offers, then i put it off, and send my merchants to all the resources i see most profit in

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    Where is Yelabuga?.......
    thanks for the info everyone...

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    Default Re: Where do I send my Byzantium merchants?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune7 View Post
    Where is Yelabuga?.......
    thanks for the info everyone...
    Cuman land {I think}, righthand top corner...If you have the patience to actually get a merchant there, your a much better man than me....Let us know how much your merchant brings in there.

    My beef with isolated resource spots is that you can't rape other factions passing merchants for the big dollars. When you corner a congested resourse area you can totally rape AI merchants....Big time!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega Tortas de Bodemloze View Post
    Cuman land {I think}, righthand top corner...If you have the patience to actually get a merchant there, your a much better man than me....Let us know how much your merchant brings in there.
    Yelabuga brings in 804 florins per turn with a level 5 merchant, he was level 6 but he acquired the Loyal to coin (too far away) trait.
    Urgench brings in 804 florins per turn with a level 5 merchant.
    Marrakesh brings in 835 florins per turn with a level 5 merchant.
    Belgrade brings in 1113 florins per turn with a level 5 merchant. (the gold resource closest to me, I am playing the Byzantiums)..

    I read somewhere that the further away a resource is brings in more florins..I also read somewhere that the trade buildings built in a settlement in the region that has the resource also increases the amount of florins..So I guess for me to get maximum florins I would have to go to those regions myself and take over the settlement and build it up..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune7 View Post
    I read somewhere that the further away a resource is brings in more florins..I also read somewhere that the trade buildings built in a settlement in the region that has the resource also increases the amount of florins..So I guess for me to get maximum florins I would have to go to those regions myself and take over the settlement and build it up..

    Distance to capitol determines amount so optimally you could capture regions with precious trade resources certain distance away from capitol to maximize your merchants but with the corruption penalty it probably is not worth the troop costs to hold the region except in a few cases of isolated easily defended regions) IE- Italy- hold Genoa and Venice and the rest of the peninsula is protected by 3 fleets that costs less than a full stack.

    The gold in Marrakesh brings in that much fewer florins than the gold in Belgrade? Usually past a certain distance with same level merchants it should be identical. Or maybe I am thinking only if your own territories already contain that trade resource- for example the silk near Constantinople is worth the same as silk in Syria etc.

    You can also move the Byz Capitol to Rome or to Corinth or something when you have expanded a bit and the silks near old capitol will grow in value. Doing that before expansion might not be worth it unless majority of territories are already in Greece/Balkans and not much in Anatolia.
    Last edited by Ichon; May 30, 2010 at 10:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ichon View Post
    You can also move the Byz Capitol...
    no, mainly because you lose some income having it as the capital, probably even lose more than just leaving it, and second, having another capital aside from constantinople as the romans is just... wrong xD

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    What do you mean? You mean a monopoly? I have heard of that but I don't know what it does, or how to get it..There has to be 2 resources of the same type, or different resources?...Does it only apply to one region, or does monopolies expand to neighboring regions?....

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    Default Re: Where do I send my Byzantium merchants?

    Neptune7...

    What do you mean?
    Who you talking to????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega Tortas de Bodemloze View Post
    Neptune7...

    Who you talking to????
    You, your previous post,,,,...I think I know what you mean, you mean training up your merchants by hostile takeovers..There was a discussion on the Medieveal 2 Total Wars general discussion board about monopolies..Does anyone know anything about them?...Does SS implement monopolies?
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    Don't mind Mega bra he's clueless and generally fruit loops for fridays....

    Well... Generally speaking, my tactic with merchants is to Group them in high value resource area and knock offs passing merchants....this...

    1. Up grades your merchants.
    2. Gives you nice income and in the early going hunting merchants can bring in extra life or death income for your faction.

    Example: Italy and Jerusalem area are great for this.

    1. Italy, for the Glass, Marble, {sugar, cloth if your HRE} and supreme merchant hunting grouns.

    2. Jerusalem area for: Gold, spice, silk, glass, sometimes fish and sugar. As the Templars or Turks, Byzzies you can keep your kingdom alive in the early going just by hunting Egyptian, K-Shah merchants.

    Once you gets walls make that your merchant headquarters and the resource campaign map then belongs to you.
    Last edited by Mega Tortas de Bodemloze; May 30, 2010 at 05:20 PM. Reason: grammar

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    I know you get more money if you hold all Constantinople silks spots.
    I regularly train my merchants in that region because they aquire monopol traits pretty fast that way.
    Also I prefer to move my merchants from one ressource to another so they earn every turn even if they are on their way to jerusalem - but thats just a personal quirk of mine.

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    Yes yes this man speaketh the Gospel. For most western factions the Constantinople silks spots {2} will net you at least $3,000-$4,000 per turn
    by about turn 25-40.

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    I prefer like Snelhest trading amber in Baltic area,salt and marble,gold also ... but only in Zagreb with first merchant.I prefer merchant spam tactics and playing this as Byzantium is very easy and simple ,so amber is the best of when U have many of merchants.
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    It takes so long for them to walk there... I don't bother. I prefer trade resources around the Med or close to shore so ship can get them there quick. Taking 16 turns to reach a resource is 1/3 of many merchants lives.

    As well... by the time get to 10 merchants it is alot to manage and you aren't going to have income issues with +10.000 income so I usually don't have more than that at a time.

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    Thats one part where I sometimes really miss an automation routine like Civ4 has for worker units. You won't be getting as good results as when you do it yourself but you don't have to remember to micromange them every turn.
    Taking 16 turns to reach a resource is 1/3 of many merchants lives.
    Good point

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