Ancient: Total War?

[Tomisama]

In Spring it roams not. / Maybe eastern sun rises / Nor will it show guns

Can not be Shogun, as it has no guns which we a major part of 16 century Japanese warfare.

Eastern sun rises also in China, the Three Kingdoms wars is a perfect vehicle for Total War.

The Rome add-on will come later, as an Expansion from the same time period.

Several years ago the topic was breached.

http://billdom.newsvine.com/_news/20...s-ancient-rome

It is valid history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_kingdoms

http://www.bartleby.com/86/34.html

There is a movie preceding (like RAN was for shogun).

http://www.redclifffilm.com/

And I read on these forums somewhere that it will be called Ancient: Total War, which totally fits.

I would love to have Shogun back, in all new 3D glory, but honestly do not believe that is what is coming next.

Shogun II is smoke screen is all…

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Muskets... muskets... were a vital part of late Japanese medieval period. Technically Med: II didn't have guns either.

But seriously, Ancient: Total War? Oh sure, with exciting units like "Clubmen" and "Rock Throwers". It'll be a blast!

[Praefectus praetorio]

But seriously, Ancient: Total War? Oh sure, with exciting units like "Clubmen" and "Rock Throwers". It'll be a blast!

Thats more like Stone Age: Total war.

[Orko]

Thats more like Stone Age: Total war.

Yeah, "ancient" is more like ~3000 years ago.

[Cornelius Plautus]

Yeah, "ancient" is more like ~3000 years ago.

That would be cool. Something like 'Rhye's and Fall of Civilization' spanning from the Old Kingdom in Egypt to the Fall of the Roman Empire.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

That would be cool. Something like 'Rhye's and Fall of Civilization' spanning from the Old Kingdom in Egypt to the Fall of the Roman Empire.

I always thought Rome: Barbarian invasion was a pretty good substitute for a dark-ages esque game.

[Imperial_Scribe]

Personally I think a Three Kingdoms: Total War would be great. Unfortunately, I cringed unconsciously at the mere thought, because good or ill, it makes me think of the bloody hundreds of Three Kingdoms games. Dynasty Warriors I'm looking at -you-

[AggonyOkeenan]

Brilliant Tomi, this is exactly what I want. Not only does Ancient Total War have a great ring to it but it would be truly great. Ancient has a different meaning for Western history than it does for Eastern if we're gonna get pedantic. However there is enough overlap to allow the developers some licence in defining the period. Personally I would start it with the 1st Punic war in 264 BC which roughly coincides with the ascendance of the Qin dynasty in China and presupposes the existence of Sun Tzu's Art of War. You could end it with the Yellow Turban rebellion in 184 AD which roughly coincides with the supposed end of Pax Romana but still gives Commodus a little time to work his magic.
This doesn't include Red Cliff but that would still be great for the Historical Battle section.

This also wouldn't include the Three Kingdoms but the Three Kingdoms would make a nice side campaign which would dovetail nicely into the main campaign, follow that with the Roman Tetrarchy formed by Diocletian in 293 AD and ending when Constantine or someone else reunites the empire.

[Tomisama]

A timeline map of the China and Rome parallel empires demonstrates how one game, and a same era expansion, could very reasonably be combined under the one title of "Ancient", and provide for both Eastern and Western theater games, to hopefully satisfy both Shogun II (even though it is China and not Japan) and Rome II advocates.


http://www.hyperhistory.com/online_n2/History_n2/a.html

(click on History and then 1-500)

Edit:
The Red Cliff movie just demonstrates the myriad of strategies and tactics that were available in the “Stone Age”, lol.
See it if you can.

Good Hunting!

[Zerosliver]

This is actually one of the best ideas I have heard yet, maybe this is indeed the thing CA will try out, judging from the fact that ETW has different theatres too.

[scubasteve]

Call me crazy but I'm hoping they go even farther back. I'm sure they won't because the scale isn't total war at all but I would love to see them go back to like stone and bronze age. Units would decrease in size, combat would be far more tactical (use of cover, ambushes, terrain advantage, etc.), resource competition, balance between hunting and farming or something, limited settlements. The basics for resource dependence was laid out in ME2 with the traders. Instead of income, you could have it be food. You could conduct raids on enemy settlements and steal food or women for breeding (lol)! You could also have the research aspect of ETW and NTW stay as you shift between the bronze and stone age.

If not a full game, I still think it would be cool as a mod.

[HIC SVNT LEONES]

I'm thinking it'll be during the Pax Romana/Pax Sinica so the Empires can duke it out with eachother, and the rest of the world in between. Probably with a delicious level of what if and technological developments that the factions may have invested in, but lost interest with it. IE: Early steam stuff, movable type, flamethrowers etc etc.

[Kesselring]

Ghengis mod maybe? or is that what shogun was? Sorry I haven't played shogun lol. I was just telling my friend the other day how badass a WW2 total war would be, yet that would be quite some work there especially with the whole cover system that would have to take place. Not to mention ALL the different units. Artillery, mortors, jeeps, mobile artillery, tanks, subs, about 10 different types of ships, about 5 different types of boats, A unit of basic infantry would have to be diversified in their weapons. Not to mention the air units. There's prolly just too much.

[pete0714]

would be hoping for a Eurasian megacampaign, spanning from the West from Spain to the East in Japan, from the North in Britannia to the south as far as India. I would be hoping for a thousand year campaign, from 500BC (Ancient Greece and the very beginnings of the Roman Republic in the West, As well as the Warring States Period in China and Persian rule at its highest in Asia). to 500AD, (The end of the Hunnic invasions in Europe and Asia, The fall of Western Rome in the West and the beginnings of the "Dark ages" , and the Northern and Southern dynasties in china and the rise of Korean powers in the East).
Who would win if in alternative history China and Rome did meet eachother on the battlefield? Could Alexander truly have ruled the world had he taken India and moved East?
Will CA do something so Epic, so intuitively correct for this time in their development of the Total war brand?
Nah, they will probably do a buggy rehash of Rome (which EB 1 is probably already superior to) or dinky Japan or Greece, and fleece all of us with little expansions and "standalone" expansions 100 years at a time.