View Poll Results: Should the EU disband?

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  • Yes. ( I am from a EU country that needs to pay a lot.)

    34 31.48%
  • No. (I am from a EU country that needs to pay a lot.)

    24 22.22%
  • Yes. (I am from a EU country that receives money.)

    14 12.96%
  • No. (I am from a EU country that Receives Money.)

    6 5.56%
  • Yes. (I am not from either of these groups.)

    14 12.96%
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    Default Do you want your country in the EU?

    To me, the EU is not working, which the current economical crisis shows. Now we, the Netherlands, need to pay five million to the Greeks, who retire at what? age 54? while here in the Netherlands they want to raise the age of retirement from 65 to 67.
    We are still waiting for the money we borrowed to Iceland.

    And appearantly Germany needs to pay a whole lot more than us because their economy is doing way better at the moment. While the EU is supposed to strenghten Europe, instead it just causes the countries that do poorly to drag the ones that manage to do well down along with them.

    Personly I am sick of the EU, and I think its only a matter of time before a country steps out of the EU, and when one goes, more will follow.

    So thats why this poll is here, I am curious about opinions from anyone, be they from a country thats doing well, a country that does poorly, or not from a country thats part of the EU at all.

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    Default Re: Do you want your country in the EU?

    Should the EU disband?
    No.

    Quite the contrary, needs more centralization.


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    disband it totally? No way, a disaster. We need free trade and free travel, and a way of saving countries like Greece (as much as many of you would like to abandon them)

    Take some powers away? Ok, maybe, which powers? Certainly I'm not too happy with them reviewing the budgets of individual members states, or banning bananas that are of certain dimensions.
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    It should be up to countries themselves to decide to give or not give money, demands shouldnt be made.

    Personly I think Greece should work harder on their own problems, for starters they should work longer instead of giving everyone an early retirement.

    At the moment I dont think anyone can spare millions. A country needs to look out for its own people first, and others should come in second.

    While I am not against some unification, I would be more in favor of some sort of alliance. Just trade agreements, the Euro and such are good. But each country should be their own master over their own affairs. And if they make a mess of things, they need to sort it out themselves or be able to give something in return for help.

    If the Netherlands give them five million, there should be something to gain from it. Exclusive trade agreements or such. We shouldnt just give money away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inhuman One View Post
    It should be up to countries themselves to decide to give or not give money, demands shouldnt be made.

    Personly I think Greece should work harder on their own problems, for starters they should work longer instead of giving everyone an early retirement.

    At the moment I dont think anyone can spare millions. A country needs to look out for its own people first, and others should come in second.

    While I am not against some unification, I would be more in favor of some sort of alliance. Just trade agreements, the Euro and such are good. But each country should be their own master over their own affairs. And if they make a mess of things, they need to sort it out themselves or be able to give something in return for help.

    If the Netherlands give them five million, there should be something to gain from it. Exclusive trade agreements or such. We shouldnt just give money away.
    They do have something to gain from it. A working trade partner in Greece, for a start.
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    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inhuman One View Post
    If the Netherlands give them five million, there should be something to gain from it. Exclusive trade agreements or such. We shouldnt just give money away.
    why?

    Why do you have no problem with money going from rich parts of the netherlands to poor parts, but have such a problem about the rest of the world?

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    EU IS my country.
    It just needs to be fixed in a lot of things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Basil II the B.S View Post
    EU IS my country.
    It just needs to be fixed in a lot of things.
    Despite the fact that most of your 'countrymen' feel no camaraderie with you whatsoever?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Despite the fact that most of your 'countrymen' feel no camaraderie with you whatsoever?
    hey

    I'm Irish and most of the people who feel "cameraderie" for this country are from other countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    hey

    I'm Irish and most of the people who feel "cameraderie" for this country are from other countries.
    QFT

    The Union is as strong as it's weakest link.If a member is in need we help it resolve the problem and make sure it doesn't happen again not kick them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShockBlast View Post
    QFT

    The Union is as strong as it's weakest link.If a member is in need we help it resolve the problem and make sure it doesn't happen again not kick them.
    This is the most controversial part.
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    I'm not against the entire concept of the EU, but I don't like how it is now or where it's heading.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

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    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    I'm not against the entire concept of the EU, but I don't like how it is now or where it's heading.
    This. The political integration should be reduced to the minimum that is neccesary to let the EEZ function. And some military command chain for very high emergency defensive stuff.
    Miss me yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ♔IPA35♔ View Post
    This. The political integration should be reduced to the minimum that is neccesary to let the EEZ function. And some military command chain for very high emergency defensive stuff.
    Ironically, it has. Most of the European political integration exists to support those very aims - free trade, free movement, free markets and all that, and maintaining some kind of cohesion in European monetary policy.
    Quote Originally Posted by Denny Crane! View Post
    How about we define the rights that allow a government to say that isn't within my freedom.

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    Disband the EU? Yes please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolling Thunder View Post
    Ironically, it has. Most of the European political integration exists to support those very aims - free trade, free movement, free markets and all that, and maintaining some kind of cohesion in European monetary policy.
    I don't agree, we could do with a small EC who guards for protectionism.
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    Default Re: Do you want your country in the EU?

    Do we need the Free Trade Agreements and a place to form a consensus if possible? Yes. Do we need anything else that comes with the EU? No. The single currency has also proven to be a terrible idea, and i'm so glad we in the UK arn't in it.

    Personally i'd rather stay in the EU and try to scale it back to a more barebones thing. Though since odds are that won't happen, i'd probably then want to leave entirely. Hence, i've voted to stay.
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    Default Re: Do you want your country in the EU?

    Will ya finally destroy that european soviet



    A europe of fatherlands- not a fatherland europe
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    I lay unto the grievous charge of others.


    And thus I clothe my naked villainy

    With odd old ends, stol'n out of holy writ;

    And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."

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    ^Who is that cartoonist btw? I've seen some of his stuff and I'd like to see more.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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