wales last part of the western empire to hold out?

[equinoxsolar]

i just had a thought..
even though rome withdrew support for britannia, the romano british managed to defend themselves for quite some time.

as all of western europe was eaten away piece by piece, the romano british managed to cling on, even to be pushed back to the confines of wales. And that is where the legend of Artorius comes from.

would you agree Wales was the last point of roman existence in the west?

[Dave Strider]

I always thought the Saxons had settled in Wales.

[equinoxsolar]

I always thought the Saxons had settled in Wales.

the saxons pushed them back as far as the welsh border...they were just about to wipe them out when the vikings invaded. The saxons were almost annihiltated themselves, but for Alfred the great restoring saxon control of england. The 'welsh' (which means stranger in saxon) were never defeated by the saxons.
It was only after the norman conquest that they were defeated.

So maybe...some welsh have roman blood LOL?

[Sir Pignans]

the saxons pushed them back as far as the welsh border...they were just about to wipe them out when the vikings invaded. The saxons were almost annihiltated themselves, but for Alfred the great restoring saxon control of england. The 'welsh' (which means stranger in saxon) were never defeated by the saxons.
It was only after the norman conquest that they were defeated.

So maybe...some welsh have roman blood LOL?

And the cornish. Apparently anyway.

[Valiant The Brave]

The Welsch ARE the natives of England cause Romano-British were more British then Roman.

[HanatielHawk]

The Welsch ARE the natives of England cause Romano-British were more British then Roman.

Never heard of romanisation? The romans tried to swallow other cultures and "romanise" them because drastic changes could lead to rebellion. Thats why the Romans in Britain never forced the british to convert but they "romanised" the country. But because England was conquered close to the end of the roman golden-age, they did not fully romanised. Romanisation btw was on full scale, some cultures are known as Gallo-roman or Greco-roman cultures.
BUT Wales was a territory which no man would like to conquer no seriously almost every king/queen of England who was in danger fled to wales because nobody would chase them there. Scotland, Ireland and Wales are the 3 countries where the Gallic culture was not to be extinct. But indeed welsh have native blood, but also roman blood.

[.Mitch.]

Gota love the Welsh right?

[HanatielHawk]

Gota love the Welsh right?

Nah i love my birthplace the most but if i had to choose in great-britain i'd choose England. I don't realy like the history if Wales but when reading a book about the history of england i read that many kings and queens fled to wales. so i don't love wales, but i know a little bit about wales tough.

[.Mitch.]

Nah i love my birthplace the most but if i had to choose in great-britain i'd choose England. I don't realy like the history if Wales but when reading a book about the history of england i read that many kings and queens fled to wales. so i don't love wales, but i know a little bit about wales tough.

Have you ever been to Wales?

[General Nuisance esq]

Have you ever been to Wales?

Yes to visit Swansea, Cardiff & Wrexham, didn't like it much just seemed to be an out of fashion version of England

[.Mitch.]

Yes to visit Swansea, Cardiff & Wrexham, didn't like it much just seemed to be an out of fashion version of England..........oh and too many scared sheep

Sorry, the question wasn't aimed at you.

[Tidybeard]

Almost brings a tear to the eye, knowing one's ancestors are a bunch of imperialist, megalomaniac, in-bred corruptos.

[.Mitch.]

Almost brings a tear to the eye, knowing one's ancestors are a bunch of imperialist, megalomaniac, in-bred corruptos.

Your American?

[HanatielHawk]

Have you ever been to Wales?

Yeh i fled to there after i was king of england

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nope not have been there yet.

Almost brings a tear to the eye, knowing one's ancestors are a bunch of imperialist, megalomaniac, in-bred corruptos.

None of the colonists were a bit different. But without the English imperialism maybe America would still be Spanish territory or maybe even worse

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French territory

And megalomanianism is corruption because of power. You can NEVER convince me that the king of France Louis the XVI of France, suffered less from megalomanianism than the kings and queens of England. And even after the regime of Louis the XVI, Napoleon was a little bit less worse than Louis the XVI but still he suffered also alot of megalomanianism. England was perhaps the best balanced country in the world in the Imperial Age. Thats why it triggered its golden age.
in-bred corruptos? You might take a look at the Tsarism of russia before you compare England to that

[Darth Umbrage]

Your American?

awesome

[|Sith| Max]

the saxons pushed them back as far as the welsh border...they were just about to wipe them out when the vikings invaded. The saxons were almost annihiltated themselves, but for Alfred the great restoring saxon control of england. The 'welsh' (which means stranger in saxon) were never defeated by the saxons.
It was only after the norman conquest that they were defeated.

So maybe...some welsh have roman blood LOL?

mate i would be surprised if a lot of europeans didn't. same way im not surprised there are muslims with blond hair and blue eyes who seem to share DNA structure with what was then Macedonians. Its a proven scientific fact that soldiers that are constantly fighting suffer from an increased urge to reproduce. last time we saw it en masse was Vietnam. So yes its fairly possible that there are people with roman ancestry the same way its possible that people are a mixture of multiple bloodlines. very well possible that any given englishman has Celtic, Roman, Saxon and Viking blood. Those were brutal times and its not too hard for a battle hardened Warrior of any of the three last mentioned peoples to rape a peasant girl.

Your American?

you know that his avatar is a welsh symbol right?

[Tidybeard]

Certainly not, sir. I would have thought my avatar would suggest otherwise.

[Tidybeard]

Well, I was referring to the Romans rather than the English. In any case, it was all said in jest. I agree with you about the French though.

Bloody frogs.

[equinoxsolar]

this whole argument of national diffrentiation is totally flawed. Each man determines what he becomes through his own mental capacity, no matter what culture he is groomed under. Only those who are weak find the same refuge in their nationality, as others do in religion.

Nationality today is used as a barrier against those who seek to extract wealth from those who contribute. Once the world industrialises (which is about 50 years away) many will see that nationality and nationhood are relics of the past.

i find it hilarious at the jibes thrown from one english man to another welshman or another irish man at an englishman. I have lived in every country in the UK and ireland for over 5 years each. The differences between each nation are so trivial that is really does make me laugh at how you all see each other as 'different'.

Such primitive thinking. No different to the roman mentality.

[HanatielHawk]

this whole argument of national diffrentiation is totally flawed. Each man determines what he becomes through his own mental capacity, no matter what culture he is groomed under. Only those who are weak find the same refuge in their nationality, as others do in religion.

Nationality today is used as a barrier against those who seek to extract wealth from those who contribute. Once the world industrialises (which is about 50 years away) many will see that nationality and nationhood are relics of the past.

i find it hilarious at the jibes thrown from one english man to another welshman or another irish man at an englishman. I have lived in every country in the UK and ireland for over 5 years each. The differences between each nation are so trivial that is really does make me laugh at how you all see each other as 'different'.

Such primitive thinking. No different to the roman mentality.

Nationalism leaves it's marks, but we're more nationalistic than in roman epoch or Medieval. You might look at the Eurovision songfestival where countries in the territories of the Balkan, the baltic lands (with the exception of Greece) and scandinavian countries vote for each other only because of political reasons. We're becoming more nationalistic.