Azerbaijan-Iran tensions increasing

[Qarapapak]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8515588.stm

Nearly a quarter of Iran's population is ethnically Azeri and many of them claim their rights are being trampled on by Tehran, increasing tension between Iran and Azerbaijan.

Their language and literature are banned in Iranian schools and they claim the authorities are worried about unrest among ethnic Azeris and about the government's relationship with Israel.

Tom Esslemont reports from the Azerbaijan-Iran border.



Reality of Iran. Sooner or later, Iran will not be able to hold its chuvanist state.

[Gromovnik]

Soon they will all become parts of the glorious Azerbaijani empire! The tractors are ready.

[Vardan the Great]

Soon they will all become parts of the glorious Azerbaijani empire! The tractors are ready.

Ehhhhhhhh...

[zznɟ ǝɥʇ]

I bet they saw the other thread you posted

[Tiberios]

Iran oppressing it's citizens, shocking!


Anyway, I didn't hear anything that suggested that Azeri nationalism was rampant amongst Iranian Azeri's, only that the Iranian authorities were worried of this potentially happening.

[Qarapapak]

They already have. Numbers grow day by day.

[Tiberios]

Source?

[Qarapapak]

Mollah Iran will collapse soon. Sharia backward country can not exist for long.

[Tiberios]

Whether or not it will collapse does not mean the Azeri's will join Azerbaijan. I think Iran will face a regime change at some point, not collapse.

[Babur]

Mollah Iran will collapse soon. Sharia backward country can not exist for long.

I am no fan of shariah but Azeri nationalism isn't exactly progressive either,since you seek to deny your historical ties to Iran.

[Qarapapak]

I am no fan of shariah but Azeri nationalism isn't exactly progressive either,since you seek to deny your historical ties to Iran.

There is no historical ties, but master-slave relation.

And don't compare secular Azerbaijan to Sharia Iran.

[Babur]

There is no historical ties, but master-slave relation.

master-slave? you share much in common culturally and genetically.Your common historical heritage dates back to Achaemenid times at least,when there were no Turkic speakers in Azerbaijan, in Pre-Islamic times it was known as Arran .

And don't compare secular Azerbaijan to Sharia Iran.

why not? both governments are oppressive

[Qarapapak]

master-slave? you share much in common culturally and genetically.Your common historical heritage dates back to Achaemenid times at least,when there were no Turkic speakers in Azerbaijan, in Pre-Islamic times it was known as Arran .

why not? both governments are oppressive

Yes, I share common genetics. I look like Ahmedinejad.

Arran is Iranian name for Caucasian Albania. Caucasian Albans were not any form of "Iranic". Is this your argument?

Yeah.

[Armenum]

well there's always been tension between Iranian government and Azeri minority, it's predictable. However, relations between the Iranian people and Azeris are not tense and that is important to note.

[Babur]

well there's always been tension between Iranian government and Azeri minority, it's predictable. However, relations between the Iranian people and Azeris are not tense and that is important to note.

well the Iranian Azeris I know dislike the current government but their loyalty still lies with Iran.

[Kolokotrones]

well the Iranian Azeris I know dislike the current government but their loyalty still lies with Iran.

Indeed. Did not the Arabs of Khuzestan valiantly resist the Iraqis? I doubt that Azeris in Iran are dreaming of some sort of union with Azerbaijan.

Whatever makes you happy, you cannot decide who I m. I know very well myself.

If you read the history according to Iran and Persians. Yes, everything were "Persian". No wonder why there is ethnic tensions in Iran.

Iran cannot even anklowledge the fact that they were vassal of Turkic tribes for centuries.

"Graecia capta ferum victorem cepit et artes, Induit agresti Latio..."

The well known phrases basically saying that though Rome conquered Greece, Greek Culture conquered Rome. A similiar thing happened in the Middle-East. The Persians were so far advanced relative to the Turks, that the Turks couldn't help but adopt much of their culture. I mean, Selim I and even Suleiman wrote poems in Persian, instead of in Turkish. The Persians had a massive cultural impact on the Turks, comparable to the impact the Greeks had on Rome.

[Qarapapak]

well there's always been tension between Iranian government and Azeri minority, it's predictable. However, relations between the Iranian people and Azeris are not tense and that is important to note.

Not true.

In a football match, Persians chanted "donkey Turk" against a team from Azerbaijan region.

Iran's biggest threat are are not west or Israel but its own inside affairs. Iranian GOV can continue to turn a blind eye on this.

so all Iranians look like Ahmadinejad? , here is a genetic study which shows that Iranian Azeris are genetically identical to their fellow Iranians:

http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/pdf/Y-paper.pdf

Arran corresponds to present day Azerbaijan, there weren't Turkic speakers there before the Seljuk migrations depicted here:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

No, I didn't say it so.

First of all, I m not an Iranian Azeri and you are talking to me. Secondly, genetic tests are a joke. Even chimpanze shares almost same genetics as human, how do they different between ethnic groups of human race? Laughable. However, what we know is that Azerbaijanis are a Turkic race and Persians, are Persians.

And where does it says that the white area to west of Caspian Sea (non-Turk according to you) have anything to do with Iranians?

[Sir Pignans]

Not true.

In a football match, Persians chanted "donkey Turk" against a team from Azerbaijan region.

Iran's biggest threat are are not west or Israel but its own inside affairs. Iranian GOV can continue to turn a blind eye on this.

Your going on what they chant in a football match?

You mean liverpool it's own country now?

And genetic testing is perfectly viable.

[Qarapapak]

Your going on what they chant in a football match?

You mean liverpool it's own country now?

And genetic testing is perfectly viable.

He says that there is no ethnic tension, there is.

Show me a genetic test that shows people of Azerbaijan and that of Iran are related.

When Russians conqured the area during 1800, they called people of Azerbaijan as "Caucasian Tatars" to distinguish us from Muslim Iranians and North Caucasians around us (Chechens etc...).

I m Turkic and nothing changes it.

[Babur]

He says that there is no ethnic tension, there is.

there is political tension but you're trying to turn it into an ethnic issue to justify this:

Show me a genetic test that shows people of Azerbaijan and that of Iran are related.

In Azerbaijan, they cluster genetically with other Caucasian people such as Georgians and Armenians:

http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/pdf/Y-paper.pdf

check page 6

When Russians conqured the area during 1800, they called people of Azerbaijan as "Caucasian Tatars" to distinguish us from Muslim Iranians and North Caucasians around us (Chechens etc...).

They promoted Azeri irrendentism to justify a possible future annexation of Iranian Azerbaijan, look at what happend in 1946 under Stalin for example