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    There is something terribly wrong with this country when a case such as this ends up before the Old Bailey.

    Two boys aged 10 and 11 have been found guilty of the attempted rape of a guirl aged 8. They were acquitted of rape after the girl, in evidence, stated that this hadn't happened.

    The full precise details of this case are unlikely to be public knowledge. From what I have seen, this does not seem to be a case like that of Jamie Bulger, but more of a case where kids were messing around and went to far.

    So my question is this, where is the wrong here.

    It seems to me that either there is something very wrong with our society when 2 children as young as 10 and 11, boys still pre-pubescent, are sexually aware enough to attempt to rape someone

    Or, there is something wrong with our criminal justice system in which childish games and messing around can end up with an incredibly serious criminal conviction.

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    I echo the comments of Philip Johnston when he asks was this really attempted rape.

    Two boys aged 10 and 11 have been found guilty of the attempted rape of an eight year old girl. I find it almost impossible to get my head around this.

    The evidence in the case suggested that they were indulging in the sort of curiosity that children have shown in each other’s bodies since the dawn of time. They were initially charged with rape until the little girl told the court that this had not actually happened.

    Boys of that age are almost certainly pre-pubescent and their interest in the little girl almost certainly non-sexual. A jury at the Old Bailey heard the evidence and found them not guily of rape but guilty of attempted rape. They will now be on the sex offenders register, though as the judge said he had no idea what that meant for children of this age.

    Is there any other period in our history, or any other country in the world, where the pre-pubescent fumblings of children would result in a rape trial? We bombard children with sexual imagery and then are surprised when they show interest in what it means. It is astonishing that they were convicted but even more amazing is that it even came to court at all.

    Have we lost all concept of childhood in this country?

    “I don’t think anyone who has sat through this trial would think for a moment that the system that we employ is ideal,” said Mr Justice Saunders.


    He can say that again.

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    I agree it's kind of ed that two extremely young children are on the sex offender registry now. I'd be interested to know what the other evidence suggested about the case, because that could tell you whether this was a case of curious "fumblings of children" or an attempt to act out a rape scene. Even in the latter case, I think these children are far too young to be held morally responsible, but mandatory treatment of some sort would certainly be in order.

    The minimum age for criminal liability of any sort should really be raised to 13.
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    I don't think the UK has a sex offender registry, do they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    I don't think the UK has a sex offender registry, do they?
    Yea we do

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    But it's not the same as the US's right? I mean it's not like you can get on a website and see where the sex offenders around you live and work, correct?

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    But it's not the same as the US's right? I mean it's not like you can get on a website and see where the sex offenders around you live and work, correct?
    No but it excludes you from doing a great many things and comes with a huge stigma attached to it, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    No but it excludes you from doing a great many things and comes with a huge stigma attached to it, obviously.
    ah c'mon, its not that bad




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    ah c'mon, its not that bad
    I guess it makes a good story to tell your mates down the pub as to why you can't go within 500 metres of any primary schools.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jom View Post
    I guess it makes a good story to tell your mates down the pub as to why you can't go within 500 metres of any primary schools.
    i usually drink alone quietly in the corner. never been able to settle in one place long enough to make friends unfortunately. prison friends dont really count.




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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    But it's not the same as the US's right? I mean it's not like you can get on a website and see where the sex offenders around you live and work, correct?


    No, you can't see where they live and work. There was a case where a newspaper (I think it was the Daily Mail?) leaked the details of the register. It was quickly followed by several incidents of mob vigilantism. i.e. Blokes dragged out of their houses by gangs and beaten. Turned out quite a few of those beaten were not even on the register and were entirely innocent of any criminal offenses.




    As for the case, I really don't know what to think as I haven't seen the evidence. However, 10 and 11 definitly seems very young for an attempted rape charge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    But it's not the same as the US's right? I mean it's not like you can get on a website and see where the sex offenders around you live and work, correct?

    The Daily Mail leaked the list (or at least some of it) Leading to a peadatrician (thats a doctor specialisng in childhood illneses) being beaten near to death and chased from the community by vigilantes...

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    Side effects of constant exposure to media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cenkiss View Post
    Side effects of constant exposure to media.
    I'm sure 10 year olds raping people existed in the 18th century.
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    Default Re: Boys 10, 11 guilty of attempted rape

    Didn't we once have a member who claimed to have ed his friend when they were about the same age or even younger?

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    In all seriousness, I find it entirely likely that kids of 10 and 11 know what rape is.

    I'm not sure how old all of you are, but growing up in school there were definatly those kids around who were a good 5-10 years older in their head than they should be.

    It's irrelevant whether or not it actualy happened, I think if the jury believed they did attempt rape, then it is more than acceptable for these people/kids to be convicted.

    The age limit for responsibility should not increase at all. If anything in future I can only see it being lowered as more cases such as this begin to appear.
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    Even if something happened, so what?

    What's next? Let's start throwing kids in jail because they generally like to fight eachother from time to time?
    Often quite violently.
    When I was a kid I hit my best friend (a girl) with a plank that had a nail in it. So what. Things happen.


    If anything let their fathers beat the out of them and forget about this affair.

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    "Doctor games" or violent forced sexual contact... hard to judge without knowing the details.
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    Lol.

    Cases such as these should be dealt first on the parent-to-child and parent-to-parent basis, it is simply shocking anything ridiculous as this could be put to the court, let alone warrant a place on the offender register. 11, 10, 8? Rape? What rape? Hahahahaha
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    BBC news made it sound like they were definitely guilty

    they took her into a shed, put some wheelie bins in front of the door and "exposed themselves", and then "attempted to rape her". They said "she wouldn't get her scooter back" if she didn't comply.

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    Dude pre-pubescent experimentation is extremely common.
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