[Resource] Historycal Battles in Caucasus in XII-XIII c.

[Tadzreuli]

I would like to open this topic for what would be good to get acquainted with the famous battles that took place in XII-XIII centuries.

in these battles participated Georgia, Atabegs of Azerbaijan, Seljuks, Sultanate of Rume, Khorezm and Mongols.

first battle, what I want to introduce is Battle of Shamkor


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Shamkor June 1, 1195

Azerbaijan vs Georgia

Battle of Shamkor (Georgian: შამქორის ბრძოლა) was fought on June 1, 1195 near the city of Shamkor, Arran (present day Shamkir, Azerbaijan), the Battle of Shamkor was a major victory won by the Georgian army, commanded by David Soslan, over the army of the Azerbaijani Atabeg Abu Bakr.

The battle was fought as part of several conflicts between the Atabeg State of Azerbaijan, also known as the Ildenizid State after its ruling dynasty, and Georgia. The consolidation of Ildenizid power, in the 1130s, coincided with a resurgence of military expansionism by the Georgian kings, whose territories intersected with Muslim Shirvan and Arran.

The battle was preceded by a dynastic war (1191-1195) in the Ildenizid possessions. Victorious in power struggle, Nusrat al-Din Abu Bakr b. Pahlawan Muhammad (ruled 1195-1210) had his elder brother Kutlugh Inanch assassinated and forced the younger brother, Amir Mihran, to take refuge at the court of the latter’s brother-in-law, Shirvanshah Ahsitan I b. Manuchehr (r. 1160-1196). The Shirvanshah together with Amir Mihran headed for Tbilisi, Georgia, and appealed for help to Queen Tamar, an official protector of Shirvan. Received with great honors at the Georgian court, they were given desired support, and the Georgian army led by Consort David Soslan marched to Shirvan.

Abu-Bakr, reinforced by his client Muslim emirs, met the enemy at the well-fortified city of Shamkor on June 1, 1195. David Soslan sent a relatively small force to break through the gates of the city, while he led the main Georgian troops to raid deep in the enemy’s rear. However, poor roads and difficult landscape were setback for the Georgians, and the Atabeg defended the city for a while. Nevertheless, David Soslan’s maneuver proved to be decisive and Abu Bakr’s army was severely defeated. Shamkor was eventually captured by the Georgians who then chased the enemy’s soldiers up to the city of Ganja which in its turn fell to the victors.

The Georgians seized numerous prisoners and huge amount of booty, including the Khalif's standard, which Queen Tamar donated to the Icon of Our Lady of Khakhuli. Shamkor and the surroundings were turned over to the Shirvanshah on terms of vassalage.

Following the battle, Abu Bakr retreated to Nakhichevan and Amir Mihran was installed as an atabeg in Ganja, only to be poisoned the same year. As a result, Abu Bakr was able to return to the capital, leading to a new confrontation with Georgia. Several Georgian inroads ensued, leaving several cities and towns in ruins between 1196 and 1209.

[BAGRAT 7]

Sultanate of Rüm vs Georgia
The Battle of Basian (Georgian: ბასიანის ბრძოლა) was fought, in the 1200s, between the armies of the Kingdom of Georgia and the Seljuqid Sultanate of Rüm in the Basian vale 60 km northeast of the city of Erzurum in what is now northeast Republic of Turkey. The battle is variously dated between 1202 and 1205, but 1203 or 1204 has lately been given preference. The contemporary Muslim annalist Ibn Bibi places the battle in 598 AH (October 1, 1201 - September 19, 1202).

The battle was one of those several conflicts between the Georgian monarchs and the Seljuqid rulers of Anatolia that fill the region’s history of the 11th-13th century. It marked yet another attempt by the Seljuqids to stem the Georgian advances southward. The story of this conflict is narrated in the contemporary Georgian, Armenian and Islamic sources.

The sultan of Rüm, Rukn ad-Din Süleymanshah II (r. 1196-1204), fought hard, with considerable success, to reassemble once a vast state fragmentized under his late father Kilij Arslan II. Initially, his relations with the neighboring kingdom of Georgia were ostensibly peaceful, including the exchange of embassies and precious gifts. However, Süleymanshah’s 1201 takeover of Erzurum whose last Saltuqid ruler (malik) `Ala' ad-Din was, at that time, a tributary to the Georgian crown, brought Süleymanshah II into an inevitable confrontation with the Georgians. The sultan further resented a tribute levied by the Georgian rulers upon the neighboring Muslim beyliks and requested its withdrawal in an ultimatum presented to the Georgian Queen regnant Tamar. According to the Georgian chronicle, Süleymanshah’s emissary delivered a highly offending letter to Tamar in which the sultan threatened to take her as a concubine upon his conquest of Georgia.

Süleymanshah, joined by his vassal beys, crossed into the Georgian marchlands and encamped in the Basian vale. Tamar quickly marshaled an army throughout her possessions and put it under command of her consort, David Soslan. From their base in Javakheti, the Georgian troops under Soslan and amirspasalar Zacharia Mkhargrdzeli made a sudden advance into Basian and assailed the enemy’s camp. In a pitched battle, the Seljuqid forces managed to roll back several attacks of the Georgians but were eventually overwhelmed and defeated. Süleymanshah himself was wounded and fled to Erzurum.

The victory at Basian allowed Georgia to secure its positions on the southwest and keep the Seljuqid resurgence in check, but Erzurum was, henceforth, to remain within the domains of the sultans of Rüm.


but are you going to include historical battles in BC 3?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Basian

[bingildak]

but are you going to include historical battles in BC 3?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Basian

400 000 ?

[Zombimode]

150.000 losses for the seljuks?
Well, yeah...;-)
I think its safe to assume the actual numbers are 1/10th of those.
With 5000 - 15000 causalties this is still an incredible bloody battle.

[Atabeg]

So apperantly, all battles were won by "mighty Georgians"?

Maybe you can also post about why Georgians hided in mountains.

[Nephilim]

So apperantly, all battles were won by "mighty Georgians"?

sure

[Tadzreuli]

So apperantly, all battles were won by "mighty Georgians"?

Maybe you can also post about why Georgians hided in mountains.

no insults please

Here are the historical facts, if you have any other information, write them. Why are you so excited, I did something that is not the truth written?

[Tadzreuli]

Battle of Basian July 27, 1202

Kingdom of Georgia VS Sultanate of Rüm

The Battle of Basian (Georgian: ბასიანის ბრძოლა) was fought, in the 1200s, between the armies of the Kingdom of Georgia and the Seljuqid Sultanate of Rüm in the Basian vale 60 km northeast of the city of Erzurum in what is now northeast Republic of Turkey. The battle is variously dated between 1202 and 1205, but 1203 or 1204 has lately been given preference. The contemporary Muslim annalist Ibn Bibi places the battle in 598 AH (October 1, 1201 - September 19, 1202).

The battle was one of those several conflicts between the Georgian monarchs and the Seljuqid rulers of Anatolia that fill the region’s history of the 11th-13th century. It marked yet another attempt by the Seljuqids to stem the Georgian advances southward. The story of this conflict is narrated in the contemporary Georgian, Armenian and Islamic sources.

The sultan of Rüm, Rukn ad-Din Süleymanshah II (r. 1196-1204), fought hard, with considerable success, to reassemble once a vast state fragmentized under his late father Kilij Arslan II. Initially, his relations with the neighboring kingdom of Georgia were ostensibly peaceful, including the exchange of embassies and precious gifts. However, Süleymanshah’s 1201 takeover of Erzurum whose last Saltuqid ruler (malik) `Ala' ad-Din was, at that time, a tributary to the Georgian crown, brought Süleymanshah II into an inevitable confrontation with the Georgians. The sultan further resented a tribute levied by the Georgian rulers upon the neighboring Muslim beyliks and requested its withdrawal in an ultimatum presented to the Georgian Queen regnant Tamar. According to the Georgian chronicle, Süleymanshah’s emissary delivered a highly offending letter to Tamar in which the sultan threatened to take her as a concubine upon his conquest of Georgia.

Süleymanshah, joined by his vassal beys, crossed into the Georgian marchlands and encamped in the Basian vale. Tamar quickly marshaled an army throughout her possessions and put it under command of her consort, David Soslan. From their base in Javakheti, the Georgian troops under Soslan and amirspasalar Zacharia Mkhargrdzeli made a sudden advance into Basian and assailed the enemy’s camp. In a pitched battle, the Seljuqid forces managed to roll back several attacks of the Georgians but were eventually overwhelmed and defeated. Süleymanshah himself was wounded and fled to Erzurum.

The victory at Basian allowed Georgia to secure its positions on the southwest and keep the Seljuqid resurgence in check, but Erzurum was, henceforth, to remain within the domains of the sultans of Rüm.

[Tadzreuli]

Battle of Garni 1225 AD, august


The Battle of Garni took place near garni (or Garnisi), in the part of Armenia that was vassal to Georgia, was fought in 1225 between Georgians and Armenians, (numbering, according to the sources, some 60,000 men) and Khwarazmians (numbering, it was said, 200,000 ); the invaders were led by Jalal ad-Din Mingburnu, the desperate last sultan of the Khwarezmid Empire who, driven from his realm by the Mongols, was trying to recapture it. Having his request of an alliance being rejected by the Georgians, he attacked them. In the battle at Garni Georgia was heavily defeated; as a result the royal court with Queen Rusudan (1223-1245) moved to Kutaisi and the country was left exposed to subsequent Mongol aggression.

[aslanamca]

This is simply bulls.....

Till the 16. century, there was no army in the world history more than 100000 men.Because logistic for more than 100000 is really difficult.And those numbers including heredotus' for persians against alexander, or georgian win against 400000 seljuks or turkish win in manzikert against 300000 byzantines are all wrong numbers which were just said without counting soldiers instead just looking ahead for enemy army and say a big number......

[Tadzreuli]

yes, I agree, this numbers of soldiers are very exaggerated ! but this battles show not numbers of soldiers, it's shows just historical facts

[Strattios]

Here is a rather extensive list with battles of varying importance.

1) Manzikert
2) Jerusalem (1099)
3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myriokephalon
4) Hattin
5) Parwan
6) Kalka River
7) Baghdad (1258)
8) Ain Jalut
9) Second Battle of Homs
10) Fall of Constantinople

[Tadzreuli]

Here is a rather extensive list with battles of varying importance.

1) Manzikert
2) Jerusalem (1099)
3)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Myriokephalon
4) Hattin
5) Parwan
6) Kalka River
7) Baghdad (1258)
8) Ain Jalut
9) Second Battle of Homs
10) Fall of Constantinople

from this only battle of Manzikert was in Caucasus, other battles were in other places

[Tadzreuli]

So apperantly, all battles were won by "mighty Georgians"?

not all, in battle of Garni Georgians were defeated by Khorezmians and after this epic battle Tbilisi (capital of country ) was fallen ! this battle have provocated the Mongols conquest to Georgia and the ,,Golden Era,, of Georgia was ended (in 1236 AD), what was continued during more than 120 years.

[aslanamca]

do your trollism in another place!

[Eisberg]

do your trollism in another place!

LOL!!!

I am under the Table..
+ Rep

[BAGRAT 7]

LOL!!!

I am under the Table..
+ Rep

[Intellected]

LOL indeed..

But why is Atabeg's account suspended?

[Eisberg]

LOL indeed..

But why is Atabeg's account suspended?

Dont know !

[Aragorn1963]

Interesting posts, Tadzreuli. Don't let the comments from others distract you from continuing.