TATW Archery Guide and Stats (3.1)

[Withwnar]

Other posts in this thread: Weather and Stats.

See also M2TW Archery Guide and Stats for some tips, info and M2TW stats.

Fire

So, flame on or off?

Pros:

• Weaken morale
• More damaging in some situations
• You can easily see what your archers are firing at
• Pretty lights and comedic results

Cons:

• Longer reload times
• Less damaging, overall, in most situations

There are two different tests here... moving and stationary targets:

Moving Targets

These tests were done by Toshach, comparing fire and normal arrows against moving targets of two armour levels. The archers are Rohan Helmingas. The targets are from Isengard and are advancing on the archers: Uruk Reavers (Armour=2, Shield=0) = Light Uruk-hai Infantry (Armour=8, Shield=4) = Heavy The values below are cumulative (total kills so far). The tests were repeated three times each; these values are averages. The percentages in brackets show the comparison of fire and non-fire. e.g. After 90 seconds fire will kill 13% less Reavers than non-fire will. The 105sec mark is about when the units entered melee. Reavers: Time No-Fire Fire ---------------------------- 60sec 37 41 (+11%) 90sec 77 67 (-13%) ~105sec 112 93 (-17%) ---------------------------- Infantry: Time No-Fire Fire ---------------------------- 60sec 9 16 (+78%) 90sec 17 25 (+47%) ~105sec 27 36 (+33%) ---------------------------- To paraphrase Tosharch's summary: It is clear that non-flaming arrows are more effective against lightly armored units. The initial advantage of the flaming arrows is probably due to the fact that both types fire their first volley at the same time. After that the increased rate of fire of non-flaming arrows is an advantage. Neither arrow does particularly well against heavily armored targets, though ultimately flaming arrows will inflict about 25% more casualties than non-flaming arrows. Against a lightly armored target, a Helmingas unit firing non-flame arrows has a hit rate of ~37 per minute. At the middle ranges it jumps to ~80 hits per minute, and at point blank range it is ~140 hits per minute.

Stationary Targets

These tests were done by Axnsan, comparing fire and normal arrows against stationary targets of three armour levels at two different distances. The archers are Rohan Helmingas. "HOT Helmingas" (in the screenshots) are using fire. The targets are from Isengard and are unable to move: Uruk Reavers (Armour=2, Shield=0) = Light Berserkers (Armour=6, Shield=0, HitPoints=3) = Medium but high HP Uruk-hai Infantry (Armour=8, Shield=4) = Heavy "Far" = at the maximum shooting range for these archers "Close" = extremely close, or "in your face" as Axnsan so delicately put it The percentages in brackets show the comparison of fire and non-fire. e.g. At far distance fire will kill 29% less Reavers as non-fire will. Range Fire Reavers Berserkers Infantry ------------------------------------------------- Far No 274 21 136 Far Yes 195 (-29%) 13 (-38%) 112 (-18%) Close No 409 132 318 Close Yes 261 (-36%) 104 (-21%) 209 (-34%) ------------------------------------------------- Note that in each test there was a unit of non-fire and a unit of fire, firing at the same time. This is bound to have some effect on the results. Screenshots... Reavers ==> Far Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Reavers ==> Close Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Berserkers ==> Far Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Berserkers ==> Close Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Infantry ==> Far Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Infantry ==> Close Spoiler Alert, click show to read:

Inspired by the TATW thread Flaming vs Non-Flaming Arrows Test Results

[Withwnar]

Weather

I have moved this section to M2TW Archery Guide and Stats.

The Stats section (below) shows which units are affected by rain.

[jản]

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this is amazing. thanks and +rep.

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[Withwnar]

TATW 3.1 Stats

Accuracy, Range, Missile Attack, Ammo Count, Flame, Rain-Affected, Armour Piercing, Special Ability and Unit Size.

These are for TATW 3.1 vanilla.

All Statistics

Sorted by: Faction, Unit Columns Atk = Missile Attack AP = Armour Piercing Ammo = Ammo Count Flame = Has Flame Acc = Accuracy Fl.Acc = Flame Accuracy Rain = Affected By Rain Fl.Rain = Flame Affected By Rain Special = Special Ability Size = Unit Size Faction Unit Missile Atk AP Range Ammo Flame Acc Fl.Acc Rain Fl.Rain Special Size Bandits Archer Militia arrow 6 - 150 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Balchoth Tribesmen javelin 7 Yes 55 3 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Bandits Balchoth Tribesmen javelin 7 Yes 55 3 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Bandits Bandobras Archers arrow 8 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Bandobras Archers arrow 8 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Blackroot Vale Archers arrow 8 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Clan Hunters arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Clan Hunters arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Eldar Archers elven arrow 12 - 210 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 Bandits Gondor Archers arrow 7 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Bandits Haradrim Archers arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Haradrim Archers arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Hobbit Archers arrow 7 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Hobbit Archers arrow 7 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Hunters arrow 5 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 48 Bandits Huntsmen javelin 6 Yes 55 4 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Bandits Iron Crossbowmen steel crossbow bolt 8 Yes 140 15 - 0.055 - - - Stakes 60 Bandits Ithilien Rangers arrow 9 - 190 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Bandits Ithilien Rangers arrow 9 - 190 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Bandits Longbowmen arrow 8 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Norse Archers arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Orc Archers arrow 5 - 160 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Bandits Peasant Archers arrow 5 - 120 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 48 Bandits Pelargir Marines javelin 8 Yes 55 2 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Bandits Ranged Orc Looters arrow 5 - 160 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Bandits Rhovanion Hunters javelin 7 Yes 55 2 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Bandits Rhudaur Axemen javelin 7 Yes 55 2 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Bandits Riddermark Skirmishers cav javelin 8 Yes 55 5 - 0.065 - - - C.Circle 30 Bandits Sentinels of the Woodland Realms elven arrow 11 - 200 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes Stakes 48 Bandits Silvan Heavy Archers elven arrow 12 - 210 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 Bandits Snaga Skirmishers javelin 6 - 50 2 - 0.055 - - - - 100 Bandits Variag Archers arrow 7 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Bandits Éored Horsearchers cav composite arrow 6 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 30 Dale Athala Rangers elven arrow 9 - 190 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 60 Dale Bardian Marksmen elven arrow 10 - 190 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 60 Dale Bardian Marksmen elven arrow 10 - 190 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 Dale Longbowmen arrow 8 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Dale Longbowmen arrow 8 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Dale Rhovanion Hunters javelin 7 Yes 55 2 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Dale Rivermen javelin 8 Yes 55 3 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Dale Woodsmen arrow 7 - 150 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Dwarves Axethrowers quality thrown axe 9 Yes 50 4 - 0.06 - - - - 60 Dwarves Iron Crossbowmen steel crossbow bolt 8 Yes 140 15 - 0.055 - - - Stakes 60 Dwarves Iron Crossbowmen steel crossbow bolt 8 Yes 140 15 - 0.055 - - - Stakes 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Archer Militia arrow 6 - 150 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Archer Militia arrow 6 - 150 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Arnorian Archers arrow 7 - 170 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Arnorian Heavy Archers arrow 8 - 170 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Bandobras Archers arrow 8 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Bandobras Archers arrow 8 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Dúnedain Rangers elven arrow 10 - 190 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes Stakes 48 Free Peoples of Eriador Grey Company cav composite arrow 10 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes - 30 Free Peoples of Eriador Hobbit Archers arrow 7 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Hobbit Archers arrow 7 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Free Peoples of Eriador Woodland Hunters arrow 7 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Gondor Archer Militia arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Gondor Blackroot Vale Archers arrow 8 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Gondor Blackroot Vale Archers arrow 8 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Gondor Gondor Archers arrow 7 - 170 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Gondor Gondor Archers arrow 7 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Gondor Hunters arrow 5 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 48 Gondor Huntsmen javelin 6 Yes 55 4 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Gondor Ithilien Rangers arrow 9 - 200 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Gondor Ithilien Rangers arrow 9 - 190 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Gondor Ithilien Rangers arrow 9 - 190 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Gondor Norse Archers arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Gondor Pelargir Marines javelin 8 Yes 55 2 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Gondor Pelargir Marines javelin 8 Yes 55 2 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Gondor Variag Archers arrow 7 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Harad Corsair Archers arrow 7 - 180 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Harad Haradrim Archers arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Harad Haradrim Raiders cav composite arrow 6 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 30 Harad Muhad Beastmasters cav javelin 8 Yes 55 6 - 0.065 - - - C.Circle 30 Harad Muhad Tribesmen javelin 9 Yes 60 4 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Harad Mûmakil mumakil arrow 10 - 200 50 - 0.06 - Yes - - 30 Harad Southron Archers arrow 8 - 170 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 High Elves Bow Quendi elven arrow 9 - 170 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 High Elves Eldar Archers elven arrow 12 - 210 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 High Elves Eldarinwë Archers elven arrow 12 - 210 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 High Elves Imladris Riders cav composite arrow 9 - 150 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 24 High Elves Nórëtirno Warriors elven arrow 10 - 190 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 High Elves Nórëtirno Warriors elven arrow 10 - 190 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 Isengard Snaga Archers arrow 4 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Isengard Snaga Skirmishers javelin 6 - 50 2 - 0.055 - - - - 100 Isengard Uruk-Hai Archers arrow 5 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Isengard Uruk-Hai Crossbow steel crossbow bolt 8 Yes 150 15 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Mordor Orc Archers arrow 5 - 160 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Mordor Orc Archers arrow 5 - 160 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Mordor Scouts arrow 4 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Mordor Uruk Archers arrow 6 - 170 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Orcs of Gundabad Goblin Trackers arrow 5 - 150 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Orcs of Gundabad Rhudaur Axemen javelin 7 Yes 55 2 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Orcs of Gundabad Snaga Archers arrow 4 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Orcs of the Misty Mountains Goblin Archers arrow 5 - 150 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Orcs of the Misty Mountains Heavy Goblin Archers arrow 6 - 160 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Orcs of the Misty Mountains Snaga Archers arrow 4 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Orcs of the Misty Mountains Snaga Skirmishers javelin 6 - 50 2 - 0.055 - - - - 100 Rhûn Balchoth Tribesmen javelin 7 Yes 55 3 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Rhûn Clan Crossbowmen steel crossbow bolt 7 Yes 140 15 - 0.055 - - - - 60 Rhûn Clan Hunters arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Rhûn Dismounted Variags arrow 7 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Rhûn Lôke-Nar Rim arrow 8 - 180 35 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes Stakes 60 Rhûn Scythed Chariot mumakil arrow 12 - 200 50 - 0.06 - Yes - - 12 Rhûn Variag Raiders cav composite arrow 6 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 30 Rohan Eorling Archers arrow 6 - 150 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Rohan Helmingas arrow 7 - 170 30 Yes 0.09 0.1 Yes Yes - 60 Rohan Riddermark Skirmishers cav javelin 8 Yes 55 5 - 0.065 - - - C.Circle 30 Rohan Riddermark Skirmishers cav javelin 8 Yes 55 5 - 0.065 - - - C.Circle 30 Rohan Riders of the Fold cav composite arrow 7 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 30 Rohan Éored Horsearchers cav composite arrow 6 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 30 Rohan Éored Horsearchers cav composite arrow 6 - 140 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 30 Silvan Elves Light Elven Archers elven arrow 9 - 170 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 Silvan Elves Sentinels of the Woodland Realms elven arrow 11 - 200 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes Stakes 48 Silvan Elves Sentinels of the Woodland Realms elven arrow 11 - 200 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes Stakes 48 Silvan Elves Silvan Heavy Archers elven arrow 12 - 210 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 Silvan Elves Silvan Heavy Archers elven arrow 12 - 210 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 48 Silvan Elves Silvan Horse Archers cav composite arrow 9 - 150 25 Yes 0.09 0.05 Yes Yes C.Circle 24 Silvan Elves Sindar Archers elven arrow 13 - 210 35 Yes 0.075 0.09 Yes Yes - 30

Accuracy

Sorted by: Accuracy, Unit Columns Acc = Accuracy Fl.Acc = Flame Accuracy Acc Fl.Acc Unit Faction 0.055 - Balchoth Tribesmen Bandits 0.055 - Balchoth Tribesmen Bandits 0.055 - Balchoth Tribesmen Rhûn 0.055 - Clan Crossbowmen Rhûn 0.055 - Huntsmen Bandits 0.055 - Huntsmen Gondor 0.055 - Iron Crossbowmen Dwarves 0.055 - Iron Crossbowmen Bandits 0.055 - Iron Crossbowmen Dwarves 0.055 - Muhad Tribesmen Harad 0.055 - Pelargir Marines Gondor 0.055 - Pelargir Marines Bandits 0.055 - Pelargir Marines Gondor 0.055 - Rhovanion Hunters Bandits 0.055 - Rhovanion Hunters Dale 0.055 - Rhudaur Axemen Bandits 0.055 - Rhudaur Axemen Orcs of Gundabad 0.055 - Rivermen Dale 0.055 - Snaga Skirmishers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 0.055 - Snaga Skirmishers Isengard 0.055 - Snaga Skirmishers Bandits 0.055 - Uruk-Hai Crossbow Isengard 0.06 - Axethrowers Dwarves 0.06 - Mûmakil Harad 0.06 - Scythed Chariot Rhûn 0.065 - Muhad Beastmasters Harad 0.065 - Riddermark Skirmishers Rohan 0.065 - Riddermark Skirmishers Bandits 0.065 - Riddermark Skirmishers Rohan 0.075 0.09 Athala Rangers Dale 0.075 0.09 Bardian Marksmen Dale 0.075 0.09 Bardian Marksmen Dale 0.075 0.09 Bow Quendi High Elves 0.075 0.09 Dúnedain Rangers Free Peoples of Eriador 0.075 0.09 Eldar Archers Bandits 0.075 0.09 Eldar Archers High Elves 0.075 0.09 Eldarinwë Archers High Elves 0.075 0.09 Light Elven Archers Silvan Elves 0.075 0.09 Nórëtirno Warriors High Elves 0.075 0.09 Nórëtirno Warriors High Elves 0.075 0.09 Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Silvan Elves 0.075 0.09 Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Bandits 0.075 0.09 Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Silvan Elves 0.075 0.09 Silvan Heavy Archers Bandits 0.075 0.09 Silvan Heavy Archers Silvan Elves 0.075 0.09 Silvan Heavy Archers Silvan Elves 0.075 0.09 Sindar Archers Silvan Elves 0.09 0.1 Archer Militia Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Archer Militia Gondor 0.09 0.1 Archer Militia Bandits 0.09 0.1 Archer Militia Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Arnorian Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Arnorian Heavy Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Bandobras Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Bandobras Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Bandobras Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Bandobras Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Blackroot Vale Archers Gondor 0.09 0.1 Blackroot Vale Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Blackroot Vale Archers Gondor 0.09 0.1 Clan Hunters Rhûn 0.09 0.1 Clan Hunters Bandits 0.09 0.1 Clan Hunters Bandits 0.09 0.1 Corsair Archers Harad 0.09 0.1 Dismounted Variags Rhûn 0.09 0.1 Eorling Archers Rohan 0.09 0.1 Goblin Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 0.09 0.1 Goblin Trackers Orcs of Gundabad 0.09 0.1 Gondor Archers Gondor 0.09 0.1 Gondor Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Gondor Archers Gondor 0.09 0.05 Grey Company Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Haradrim Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Haradrim Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Haradrim Archers Harad 0.09 0.05 Haradrim Raiders Harad 0.09 0.1 Heavy Goblin Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 0.09 0.1 Helmingas Rohan 0.09 0.1 Hobbit Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Hobbit Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Hobbit Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Hobbit Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Hunters Bandits 0.09 0.1 Hunters Gondor 0.09 0.05 Imladris Riders High Elves 0.09 0.1 Ithilien Rangers Gondor 0.09 0.1 Ithilien Rangers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Ithilien Rangers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Ithilien Rangers Gondor 0.09 0.1 Ithilien Rangers Gondor 0.09 0.1 Longbowmen Dale 0.09 0.1 Longbowmen Bandits 0.09 0.1 Longbowmen Dale 0.09 0.1 Lôke-Nar Rim Rhûn 0.09 0.1 Norse Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Norse Archers Gondor 0.09 0.1 Orc Archers Mordor 0.09 0.1 Orc Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Orc Archers Mordor 0.09 0.1 Peasant Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Ranged Orc Looters Bandits 0.09 0.05 Riders of the Fold Rohan 0.09 0.1 Scouts Mordor 0.09 0.05 Silvan Horse Archers Silvan Elves 0.09 0.1 Snaga Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 0.09 0.1 Snaga Archers Isengard 0.09 0.1 Snaga Archers Orcs of Gundabad 0.09 0.1 Southron Archers Harad 0.09 0.1 Uruk Archers Mordor 0.09 0.1 Uruk-Hai Archers Isengard 0.09 0.1 Variag Archers Bandits 0.09 0.1 Variag Archers Gondor 0.09 0.05 Variag Raiders Rhûn 0.09 0.1 Woodland Hunters Free Peoples of Eriador 0.09 0.1 Woodsmen Dale 0.09 0.05 Éored Horsearchers Rohan 0.09 0.05 Éored Horsearchers Bandits 0.09 0.05 Éored Horsearchers Rohan

Range

Sorted by: Range, Unit Range Unit Faction 210 Eldar Archers Bandits 210 Eldar Archers High Elves 210 Eldarinwë Archers High Elves 210 Silvan Heavy Archers Bandits 210 Silvan Heavy Archers Silvan Elves 210 Silvan Heavy Archers Silvan Elves 210 Sindar Archers Silvan Elves 200 Ithilien Rangers Gondor 200 Mûmakil Harad 200 Scythed Chariot Rhûn 200 Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Silvan Elves 200 Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Bandits 200 Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Silvan Elves 190 Athala Rangers Dale 190 Bardian Marksmen Dale 190 Bardian Marksmen Dale 190 Dúnedain Rangers Free Peoples of Eriador 190 Ithilien Rangers Bandits 190 Ithilien Rangers Bandits 190 Ithilien Rangers Gondor 190 Ithilien Rangers Gondor 190 Nórëtirno Warriors High Elves 190 Nórëtirno Warriors High Elves 180 Blackroot Vale Archers Gondor 180 Blackroot Vale Archers Bandits 180 Blackroot Vale Archers Gondor 180 Corsair Archers Harad 180 Gondor Archers Bandits 180 Gondor Archers Gondor 180 Longbowmen Dale 180 Longbowmen Bandits 180 Longbowmen Dale 180 Lôke-Nar Rim Rhûn 170 Arnorian Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 170 Arnorian Heavy Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 170 Bandobras Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 170 Bandobras Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 170 Bandobras Archers Bandits 170 Bandobras Archers Bandits 170 Bow Quendi High Elves 170 Dismounted Variags Rhûn 170 Gondor Archers Gondor 170 Helmingas Rohan 170 Light Elven Archers Silvan Elves 170 Southron Archers Harad 170 Uruk Archers Mordor 170 Variag Archers Bandits 170 Variag Archers Gondor 170 Woodland Hunters Free Peoples of Eriador 160 Heavy Goblin Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 160 Orc Archers Mordor 160 Orc Archers Bandits 160 Orc Archers Mordor 160 Ranged Orc Looters Bandits 150 Archer Militia Free Peoples of Eriador 150 Archer Militia Gondor 150 Archer Militia Bandits 150 Archer Militia Free Peoples of Eriador 150 Clan Hunters Rhûn 150 Clan Hunters Bandits 150 Clan Hunters Bandits 150 Eorling Archers Rohan 150 Goblin Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 150 Goblin Trackers Orcs of Gundabad 150 Grey Company Free Peoples of Eriador 150 Haradrim Archers Bandits 150 Haradrim Archers Bandits 150 Haradrim Archers Harad 150 Hobbit Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 150 Hobbit Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 150 Hobbit Archers Bandits 150 Hobbit Archers Bandits 150 Hunters Bandits 150 Hunters Gondor 150 Imladris Riders High Elves 150 Norse Archers Bandits 150 Norse Archers Gondor 150 Silvan Horse Archers Silvan Elves 150 Uruk-Hai Crossbow Isengard 150 Woodsmen Dale 140 Clan Crossbowmen Rhûn 140 Haradrim Raiders Harad 140 Iron Crossbowmen Dwarves 140 Iron Crossbowmen Bandits 140 Iron Crossbowmen Dwarves 140 Riders of the Fold Rohan 140 Scouts Mordor 140 Snaga Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 140 Snaga Archers Isengard 140 Snaga Archers Orcs of Gundabad 140 Uruk-Hai Archers Isengard 140 Variag Raiders Rhûn 140 Éored Horsearchers Rohan 140 Éored Horsearchers Bandits 140 Éored Horsearchers Rohan 120 Peasant Archers Bandits 60 Muhad Tribesmen Harad 55 Balchoth Tribesmen Bandits 55 Balchoth Tribesmen Bandits 55 Balchoth Tribesmen Rhûn 55 Huntsmen Bandits 55 Huntsmen Gondor 55 Muhad Beastmasters Harad 55 Pelargir Marines Gondor 55 Pelargir Marines Bandits 55 Pelargir Marines Gondor 55 Rhovanion Hunters Bandits 55 Rhovanion Hunters Dale 55 Rhudaur Axemen Bandits 55 Rhudaur Axemen Orcs of Gundabad 55 Riddermark Skirmishers Rohan 55 Riddermark Skirmishers Bandits 55 Riddermark Skirmishers Rohan 55 Rivermen Dale 50 Axethrowers Dwarves 50 Snaga Skirmishers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 50 Snaga Skirmishers Isengard 50 Snaga Skirmishers Bandits

Missile Attack

Sorted by: Missile Attack, Unit Columns Atk = Missile Attack AP = Armour Piercing Atk AP Unit Faction 13 - Sindar Archers Silvan Elves 12 - Eldar Archers Bandits 12 - Eldar Archers High Elves 12 - Eldarinwë Archers High Elves 12 - Scythed Chariot Rhûn 12 - Silvan Heavy Archers Bandits 12 - Silvan Heavy Archers Silvan Elves 12 - Silvan Heavy Archers Silvan Elves 11 - Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Silvan Elves 11 - Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Bandits 11 - Sentinels of the Woodland Realms Silvan Elves 10 - Bardian Marksmen Dale 10 - Bardian Marksmen Dale 10 - Dúnedain Rangers Free Peoples of Eriador 10 - Grey Company Free Peoples of Eriador 10 - Mûmakil Harad 10 - Nórëtirno Warriors High Elves 10 - Nórëtirno Warriors High Elves 9 - Athala Rangers Dale 9 Yes Axethrowers Dwarves 9 - Bow Quendi High Elves 9 - Imladris Riders High Elves 9 - Ithilien Rangers Gondor 9 - Ithilien Rangers Bandits 9 - Ithilien Rangers Bandits 9 - Ithilien Rangers Gondor 9 - Ithilien Rangers Gondor 9 - Light Elven Archers Silvan Elves 9 Yes Muhad Tribesmen Harad 9 - Silvan Horse Archers Silvan Elves 8 - Arnorian Heavy Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 8 - Bandobras Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 8 - Bandobras Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 8 - Bandobras Archers Bandits 8 - Bandobras Archers Bandits 8 - Blackroot Vale Archers Gondor 8 - Blackroot Vale Archers Bandits 8 - Blackroot Vale Archers Gondor 8 Yes Iron Crossbowmen Dwarves 8 Yes Iron Crossbowmen Bandits 8 Yes Iron Crossbowmen Dwarves 8 - Longbowmen Dale 8 - Longbowmen Bandits 8 - Longbowmen Dale 8 - Lôke-Nar Rim Rhûn 8 Yes Muhad Beastmasters Harad 8 Yes Pelargir Marines Gondor 8 Yes Pelargir Marines Bandits 8 Yes Pelargir Marines Gondor 8 Yes Riddermark Skirmishers Rohan 8 Yes Riddermark Skirmishers Bandits 8 Yes Riddermark Skirmishers Rohan 8 Yes Rivermen Dale 8 - Southron Archers Harad 8 Yes Uruk-Hai Crossbow Isengard 7 - Arnorian Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 7 Yes Balchoth Tribesmen Bandits 7 Yes Balchoth Tribesmen Bandits 7 Yes Balchoth Tribesmen Rhûn 7 Yes Clan Crossbowmen Rhûn 7 - Corsair Archers Harad 7 - Dismounted Variags Rhûn 7 - Gondor Archers Gondor 7 - Gondor Archers Bandits 7 - Gondor Archers Gondor 7 - Helmingas Rohan 7 - Hobbit Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 7 - Hobbit Archers Free Peoples of Eriador 7 - Hobbit Archers Bandits 7 - Hobbit Archers Bandits 7 Yes Rhovanion Hunters Bandits 7 Yes Rhovanion Hunters Dale 7 Yes Rhudaur Axemen Bandits 7 Yes Rhudaur Axemen Orcs of Gundabad 7 - Riders of the Fold Rohan 7 - Variag Archers Bandits 7 - Variag Archers Gondor 7 - Woodland Hunters Free Peoples of Eriador 7 - Woodsmen Dale 6 - Archer Militia Free Peoples of Eriador 6 - Archer Militia Gondor 6 - Archer Militia Bandits 6 - Archer Militia Free Peoples of Eriador 6 - Clan Hunters Rhûn 6 - Clan Hunters Bandits 6 - Clan Hunters Bandits 6 - Eorling Archers Rohan 6 - Haradrim Archers Bandits 6 - Haradrim Archers Bandits 6 - Haradrim Archers Harad 6 - Haradrim Raiders Harad 6 - Heavy Goblin Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 6 Yes Huntsmen Bandits 6 Yes Huntsmen Gondor 6 - Norse Archers Bandits 6 - Norse Archers Gondor 6 - Snaga Skirmishers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 6 - Snaga Skirmishers Isengard 6 - Snaga Skirmishers Bandits 6 - Uruk Archers Mordor 6 - Variag Raiders Rhûn 6 - Éored Horsearchers Rohan 6 - Éored Horsearchers Bandits 6 - Éored Horsearchers Rohan 5 - Goblin Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 5 - Goblin Trackers Orcs of Gundabad 5 - Hunters Bandits 5 - Hunters Gondor 5 - Orc Archers Mordor 5 - Orc Archers Bandits 5 - Orc Archers Mordor 5 - Peasant Archers Bandits 5 - Ranged Orc Looters Bandits 5 - Uruk-Hai Archers Isengard 4 - Scouts Mordor 4 - Snaga Archers Orcs of the Misty Mountains 4 - Snaga Archers Isengard 4 - Snaga Archers Orcs of Gundabad

All stat tables were generated by the Total War Projectiles tool.

[Njordr]

Excellent work! +rep

EDIT: Seems that I "must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Withwnar again." But count it as I've done it.

[Njordr]

Ammo Count

This list shows all projectile units in order of the amount of ammunition.

In my honest opinion sounds strange that for factions deeply archery-oriented as HE and SE their archers have such a low amount of arrows. I know Elves balance this feature with other qualities, but a total of at least 30 arrows would be more realistic.

[Withwnar]

Thanks mate. The Rain, Accuracy and Range stats are generated by a program I wrote to read from the M2TW TXT files. It will work for M2TW/Kingdoms and any submod if anyone's interested.

[Njordr]

Thanks mate. The Rain, Accuracy and Range stats are generated by a program I wrote to read from the M2TW TXT files. It will work for M2TW/Kingdoms and any submod if anyone's interested.

You could also consider to unite your efforts with Royal Academy administrators towards a more complete unit detail.

[Withwnar]

Attack added in post #4 above.

You could also consider to unite your efforts with Royal Academy administrators towards a more complete unit detail.

That is an excellent site, which I frequent frequently. I'm sure that Honga could make it do what I'm doing here, if he had the time and inclination. I'm also sure that we're going about it in two very different ways; "uniting efforts" would amount to "massive effort" I think.

[Njordr]

Attack added in post #4 above.

What do you mean exactly with "attack"? The damage done by arrows/axes/javelins?

That is an excellent site, which I frequent frequently. I'm sure that Honga could make it do what I'm doing here, if he had the time and inclination. I'm also sure that we're going about it in two very different ways; "uniting efforts" would amount to "massive effort" I think.

In this case I would suggest to make this thread sticky for its inner quality.

[Withwnar]

What do you mean exactly with "attack"? The damage done by arrows/axes/javelins?

Yes, that's the one. It was ambiguously named; I have renamed it to "Missile Attack".

[Withwnar]

Mine are using the RC/RR submod values. Unfortunately I don't have a copy of the 1.4.1 vanilla ones (without a reinstall). There's also the possibility that my program is doing something wrong, but the ones I checked seemed right (compared to in-game) so I think it's okay.

If you're looking at Elves then small wonder: RC/RR has nerfed them a bit.

I was going to hold off running these for 1.4.1 vanilla seeing as how a new release is just around the corner. But if you want to see them then PM me; no problem.

[Njordr]

Mine are using the RC/RR submod values.

That's the reason.

I was going to hold off running these for 1.4.1 vanilla seeing as how a new release is just around the corner. But if you want to see them then PM me; no problem.

Don't worry, I'll wait for 2.0. Thanks anyway.

[Withwnar]

Added "The Works" to post #4 above

[Ozzmosis]

Extremely well researched and reliable experiments! Well done!

[Point Blank]

Awesome stuff! Just a note, that the RR/RC values for the Fellowship units have not yet been calculated. Also, in next update, most Elven units receive a +0.0075 accuracy bonus due to exceptional eyesight, and possibly a +10m range addition as well.

Also, any unit with the 'mass' designation in its projectile type is a 'missile' unit and will by default be behind the main battle line on setup, and has a different animation that shoots about 50% faster (but less accurately you will notice) than other (skirmish) units, that are in front of the main melee line and shoot more accurately though also more slowly.

[Withwnar]

Thanks for the info Point Blank.

... the RR/RC values for the Fellowship units have not yet been calculated.

Do you mean in accuracy? I see that Legolas bodyguard = Sindar archers and Hobbit bodyguard = Hobbit archers in accuracy. Not sure about Aragorn though.

... in next update, most Elven units receive a +0.0075 accuracy bonus due to exceptional eyesight, and possibly a +10m range addition as well.

Sweet. Looking forward to seeing that new animation too.

[Sitalkes]

Incredible detail! Does snow have the same effect as rain?

[Withwnar]

Hmmm. I haven't tried it. Rain-affected is driven by the TXT file attribute affected_by_rain; there's no affected_by_snow equivalent (not for projectiles anyway). Does the engine class snowing as raining? I don't know.

EDIT: added Snow & Fog to post #2. Snow appears to affect arrows but I'm not certain.

[Sitalkes]

Hmmm. I haven't tried it. Rain-affected is driven by the TXT file attribute affected_by_rain; there's no affected_by_snow equivalent (not for projectiles anyway). Does the engine class snowing as raining? I don't know.

EDIT: added Snow & Fog to post #2. Snow appears to affect arrows but I'm not certain.

Does night affect shooting as well? As an aside, if you select a night battle and don't start the battle immediately (choose wait.. 3...2..1 etc) it seems to change to daytime. Is it still counted as a night battle then? Some battles seem to occur at sunrise or sunset - I wonder if there's a "sun in your eyes" effect?