Betrayed.. betrayed.. BETRAYED?

[NoobSnoopy]

I have this broblem whit those stupid AI they keep betraying me like the Macedonians did in Greek campaing, or the Gauls did in British campaing. Does anyone had advice how or why this happens
me so offen?

[Hopit]

betray them before they betray you

[empr guy]

diplomacy dosent work so well, but once you kill the starting rival you really dont need it at all. All allies do is limit what you can destory (if you honor that, anyway...)

[Darth Umbrage]

happens to me all the time as well, the only alliances I have ever had last on RTW was with factions all the way across the map. If they border you, eventually they will betray. It is just RTW tho, in M2TW it is possible to maintain an alliance throughout entire game. Like empr guy said, the diplomacy just isnt as good in RTW. JUst be aggressive and plan to fight everyone at some point or another.

[nvm]

Sometimes the AI acts truly ridiculous. When i took Tarentum from Brutii, greece launched a naval invasion and besieged it. The moral is:WTF then why couldnt they take it when it was held with Brutii? They brought a whole fullstack!

[Darth Umbrage]

lol, love when that happens. in the end they are all out to get you (the player) above anyone else as long as you arent completely out of their way.

[Jumpin Jack Flash]

In my current Greek campaign, Scipii took a Carthaginian city on Sicily (There's 5 cities on Sicily in the mod I'm playing.) Carthage builds up 4 stacks of soldiers, and rather than try to take back their own city from Scipii (guarded by a half stack) they betray me and try to take Syracuse, which I have two full stacks guarding. Yeah, OK Carthage.

[NoobSnoopy]

In my current Greek campaign, Scipii took a Carthaginian city on Sicily (There's 5 cities on Sicily in the mod I'm playing.) Carthage builds up 4 stacks of soldiers, and rather than try to take back their own city from Scipii (guarded by a half stack) they betray me and try to take Syracuse, which I have two full stacks guarding. Yeah, OK Carthage.

lolz

[Maesar]

I never make alliances with factions that are near me or are at my borders. For example, if you're Britannia, close an alliance with the Julii or the Spanish. They can help you attack the Gauls from another front. Eventually, when you're done with the Gauls and the Spanish and/or Julii border you, just prepare for war with them.

[Xerrop]

I have this broblem whit those stupid AI they keep betraying me like the Macedonians did in Greek campaing, or the Gauls did in British campaing. Does anyone had advice how or why this happens me so offen?

Simple answer: Because they are neighbouring factions.

It seems the AI in Rome was programmed to start always war against near faction. The only permanent alliances take place between far away states. But only until they share a land border. Then even the best and longest alliance is in tatters -> only possible option left: WAR!

[Basil II the B.S]

There are a few tricks, but they don't always work. Eg, if they betray by attacking one of your settlement, anticipate them, and fill that settlement with your best troops. If the battle balance is strongly in your favour, they won't attack, thus they won't betray.Bribing incoming armies is another way, if you have plenty of money.

[Gotenus]

Yea, that works well. I've found that just having a full stack around can repel them, but sometimes they'll bring two stacks and attack that one.

[LogicOneTwo]

Anyone had SPQR declare all three families outlaws at the same time? I'm playing as the Julii on vh/vh and have 45 territories, and the Brutii just knocked off the second-to-last nation (Parthia), which kind of set the Senate off, I guess. Now it's only Egypt, SPQR, and the three families. It's kind of amusing, because every faction left is at war with every other faction...

[Kuhndog]

Anyone had SPQR declare all three families outlaws at the same time? I'm playing as the Julii on vh/vh and have 45 territories, and the Brutii just knocked off the second-to-last nation (Parthia), which kind of set the Senate off, I guess. Now it's only Egypt, SPQR, and the three families. It's kind of amusing, because every faction left is at war with every other faction...

Total War... eh?

[LogicOneTwo]

Total War... eh?

Yeah, pretty much...effin' crazy!

[|Sith| Max]

ah another thread about this? yes the RTW AI is completely tarded. go play humans.

[Lucarius]

yeah go play online is the best option anyway.
maybe in R2TW the AI is better, and i hope the diplomacy is gonna change.

[Chris Death]

What? There's a campaign worth playing in RTW for multiplayer? You gotta show me that now Max because everything else wouldn't make sense that you disturbed this thread about campaign diplomacy with your online nonsense.

~S~ CD

[|Sith| Max]

The fact is that the OP was tired if being betrayed by the same retarded AI, and out of experience i can say that allies in MP are less prone to betraying their teammies. Therefore, MP is the solution to his problem.
And you want to talk smack bout Multiplayer, Chris? Well then i might as well share a few heartfelt words about Campaign and Custom games: campaign, anything single player. idiots that think they own at a game without ever fighting humans. If they enjoy it then i am happy for them but if they think that conquering all regions on VH/VH makes them 1337 gamers they can go hang themselves, because we are sick of these people going online and bragging about that stuff At first you laugh at them, then you pity them, then you just destroy them like the animals they are. Even the lesser caste MP players would wipe the floor with that scum. You think you are better than them because you play a fancy mod? No matter how much you mod this game it is still the same retarded battle AI which shouldn't even be trusted with running a campaign village, and you can not deny that. The AI is not a challenge and no victory you gain against it counts as an achievement. There is no thought behind its movements, No shame in its loss, it doesnt draw lessons from its defeats, it doesn't give a if it wins or not, It cant get better, and its battle plans are more horrible than even the newest of new players. You seriously want to tell me that the guy that made this thread would not be happier in a 3v3 on MP than he is being betrayed by every single faction in the campaign??? the AI was a rushjob. all you can expect it to do is buy troops and march them at you. Do not dare suggest it takes skill to defeat something like that.
I advise you not to call MP "Online Nonsense" in front of hardcore players in future conversations.

[Chris Death]

Lol Max you came outta reserve with a whole bunch of hidden smileys this time.

I hope my smiley at the end of the "online nonsense" thingy made it visible to be a joke.

You seem to have made your homework by reading posts of mine here and there and you're right
i'm playing singleplayer but that doesn't mean that i don't play online other games.

It's just that i play maybe too much online games and i can't risk to get addicted by one more in that
list - I already got divorced once when Operation Flashpoint came in it's 3rd year (imagine we married one month after release)
and i'm playing RTW on my older pc which i installed at my work (i work in shifts as a sysadmin for a bank so in 2 of 3 shifts it's
not a problem playing). Unfortunately online is a nogo there so i'm stuck with singleplayer.

I could probably go online a one or two times per month with RTW but there would be no point since like you already said it would
need a clan to get things going online. There's just a small difference in our points of view about why to join a clan i think.

I would join a clan to be able to share my time in a game with people i can trust being worth doing it instead of having to face everytime
people who you would post into the "noobiest things" thread.

You seem to think that only people in clans are able to understand and play that game (at least this is how it looks to me from my point of view).

Anyway i don't think that the op was searching answers about an exciting 3v3 on mp but who am i that i can think anything - i'm a singleplayer idiot
who doesn't even play on vh/vh because the ai doesn't deserve such a big moral boost (both our opinion btw) so i'm only a H/H singleplayer idiot tbh.

The only thing i'm worried about now is that you seem to think you know alot about what i think and i can answer you: no i don't think that i'm better than any
of the nice online friends who you are sick to meet and fight (must be very exciting btw to meet such people over and over again) only because i'm playing
a "fancy mod". I do just play it for my own entertainment during my eight hours of work and i did never try to compare me to anybody else or start thinking
about if i should/would/could be better than others in it.

Enuff off topic now - fact is even in multiplayer there's a very big chance that people betray you and it does happen at least every single day so it's not an
option aswell to solve the problem of the op.

~S~ CD