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    Apparently Wilders has received a letter from the AIVD (Dutch inelligence agency), warning him that one of his party members, Markuszower, has been passing information to foreign powers. Most likely, according to undisclosed sources, to the Mossad.

    Gidi Markuszower is the number 5 member on the party list, and therefore he was likely to become member of parliament in the coming election. He has also been arrested for gun possession recently, he wasn't charged. He is member of several Dutch Jewish organisations. He denies the allegations.

    Several (Dutch) articles:

    http://nos.nl/artikel/159060-pvver-w...wing-aivd.html
    http://www.nrc.nl/binnenland/article...er_Markuszower

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    PVV'er away after warning AIVD

    Update: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 15:34

    PVV Gidi Markuszower candidate has withdrawn because the AIVD warned that he was a risk to the integrity of the Netherlands. NRC Handelsblad writes that PVV leader Geert Wilders had received a letter about that.

    The NRC acknowledges that Markuszower the letter was the reason for his departure. It said inter alia that he was involved in the transfer of "information to foreign powers."
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    The letter also states that that he had contact with employees of foreign intelligence. The letter gives no details on the countries concerned. The NRC says that sources suggest "that goes to Israel and the Mossad".

    Markuszower calls the accusations "absurd" that he was difficult to defend against. In the interest of the Freedom Party, he has therefore withdrawn from the list of candidates.

    "I was on April 24 by Wilders informed about the insinuations," said Markuszower in the newspaper. "It was my decision to retire me. I realized that these things - even when they are untruthful - much could harm the party."
    Closed

    Markuszower was number five on the list. He soon came negative press. The candidate MP, who was involved in the Jewish organization Likud Netherlands, was to celebrate the sixtieth existence of Israel in Amsterdam arrested for carrying a firearm.

    Markuszower was time saver from an organization that monitors synagogues and Jewish feasts. The case was dismissed by the judiciary.

    The candidate MP was further compromised by his plea for critical life-Jews from the Jewish community in exile.

    Upon his departure had Markuszower in a statement is "not senang" to feel "constantly under a magnifying glass to be negative.
    Evidence

    Markuszower says a court to consider. "Does the State of the Netherlands does prove that my actions against the interests of that state run, they have to tough prosecutions. But while the evidence for this lack, I'm considering a libel or defamation trial, perhaps with compensation."

    Yet he is glad that the true reason for his departure now above table. "I am relieved now that the truth comes out. Now is not the issue as a sword of Damocles over my head."




    AIVD warned PVV'er Markuszower
    Published: May 22, 2010 9:13 | Updated: May 22, 2010 10:14
    Joost Oranje by our editors and Danielle Pinedo

    The Hague, May 22 PVV candidate Markuszower Gidi last month has withdrawn from the electoral list for the elections after resigning Minister Hirsch Ballin (Interior, CDA) a letter with incriminating information about him to the party leader Geert Wilders had sent. The information came from the intelligence service AIVD. That have sources in The Hague confirmed.



    Also Markuszower himself acknowledges in an interview with NRC Handelsblad that the AIVD letter was the reason he left. The letter Markuszower (32) as a "risk to the integrity" of labeled Netherlands. He would have been involved in an organization that "information has been transferred to" a foreign power. " Also according to the letter he had contact with employees of a foreign intelligence service. The letter gives no details but sources suggest that it is Israel and the Mossad.


    Negative


    After the presentation of the candidates came Markuszower, who stood in fifth place last month in negative news. For example, a private mail from the Amsterdam businessman published which he stated that Jews who publicly criticize Israeli actions in the Gaza War, the Jewish community should be banned. In the same week it was announced two years ago he was arrested for carrying a firearm.


    Interview with MarkuszowerLees an interview with NRC Handelsblad Markuszower today or in the digital edition (subscribers only). Markuszower withdrew as a candidate. In a statement, he is "not senang" to feel "constantly under a magnifying glass to be negative." Markuszower now says that the letter was real reason. He calls the accusations "absurd" its "in the interest of the party" has retired. He is considering a libel action against the State as the "insinuations" in the "malicious letter" can not be substantiated. According to him there was no proof. Interior will not take up the matter. Wilders also will not respond.



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    Default Re: Spy in the PVV (Wilders' Party)?

    o.O what kind of information would he even have thats worth being a spy? "ISRAEL, WILDERS INFORMS ME HES GOING TO MAKE A POLICY CHANGE!"

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    So yes, spy on them.

    EDIT: Senno, keep your fingers of my post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Squiggle View Post
    o.O what kind of information would he even have thats worth being a spy? "ISRAEL, WILDERS INFORMS ME HES GOING TO MAKE A POLICY CHANGE!"

    Regular james bond.
    He's an extremly pro-Israel and anti-Muslim guy and there's a chance that he will become a major player in Dutch politics so the inner workings of his party can be of interest to Israel.

    That, or Gidi thinks that that is the case and is doing it anyway.

    This isn't exactly the first time the PVV was ''infiltrated'' by a ''spy.'' A journalist from a left wing newspaper joined the PVV to show how incredibly poor the defence of Wilders is; she was able to join, even though simply googling her name would prove that she is working for a newspaper that is openly against the PVV.
    Last edited by Dr. Croccer; May 22, 2010 at 11:39 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
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    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Default Re: Spy in the PVV (Wilders' Party)?

    Seems a lot like a smear campaign to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Seems a lot like a smear campaign to me.
    The PVV does a very good job at that themselves. One of the main members of the party, Hero Brinkman, has stated that the party is too authoritarian and centered around Wilders and wants it to become more democratic.



    Luckily the upcoming elections will be about the economy and that's why (well and the interal problems) they will only gain like 17 seats instead of 31.
    The PVV has really killed itself over the last months though. The entire ''headscarves are no longer undebatable'' issue, ''Undercover bij the PVV'' and now it's own members criticizing it for it's undemocratic nature has really caused a sharp decline in support for the party.
    Last edited by Dr. Croccer; May 22, 2010 at 11:53 AM.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Croccer View Post
    The PVV does a very good job at that themselves. One of the main members of the party, Hero Brinkman, has stated that the party is too authoritarian and centered around Wilders and wants it to become more democratic.


    The PVV has really killed itself over the last months though. The entire ''headscarves are no longer undebatable'' issue, ''Undercover bij the PVV'' and now it's own members criticizing it for it's undemocratic nature has really caused a sharp decline in support for the party.
    And you forget the not taking part in local councils part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phier View Post
    Seems a lot like a smear campaign to me.
    indeed, very convienent timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pickle_mole View Post
    indeed, very convienent timing.
    Quote Originally Posted by A.J.P. Taylor
    Peaceful agreement and government by consent are possible only on the basis of ideas common to all parties; and these ideas must spring from habit and from history. Once reason is introduced, every man, every class, every nation becomes a law unto itself; and the only right which reason understands is the right of the stronger. Reason formulates universal principles and is therefore intolerant: there can be only one rational society, one rational nation, ultimately one rational man. Decisions between rival reasons can be made only by force.





    Quote Originally Posted by H.L Spieghel
    Is het niet hogelijk te verwonderen, en een recht beklaaglijke zaak, Heren, dat alhoewel onze algemene Dietse taal een onvermengde, sierlijke en verstandelijke spraak is, die zich ook zo wijd als enige talen des werelds verspreidt, en die in haar bevang veel rijken, vorstendommen en landen bevat, welke dagelijks zeer veel kloeke en hooggeleerde verstanden uitleveren, dat ze nochtans zo zwakkelijk opgeholpen en zo weinig met geleerdheid verrijkt en versiert wordt, tot een jammerlijk hinder en nadeel des volks?
    Quote Originally Posted by Miel Cools
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen,
    Oud ben maar nog niet verrot.
    Zoals oude bomen zingen,
    Voor Jan Lul of voor hun god.
    Ook een oude boom wil reizen,
    Bij een bries of bij een storm.
    Zelfs al zit zijn kruin vol luizen,
    Zelfs al zit zijn voet vol worm.
    Als ik oud ben wil ik zingen.

    Cò am Fear am measg ant-sluaigh,
    A mhaireas buan gu bràth?
    Chan eil sinn uileadh ach air chuart,
    Mar dhìthein buaile fàs,
    Bheir siantannan na bliadhna sìos,
    'S nach tog a' ghrian an àird.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jörg Friedrich
    When do I stop being a justified warrior? When I've killed a million bad civilians? When I've killed three million bad civilians? According to a warsimulation by the Pentagon in 1953 the entire area of Russia would've been reduced to ruins with 60 million casualties. All bad Russians. 60 million bad guys. By how many million ''bad'' casualties do I stop being a knight of justice? Isn't that the question those knights must ask themselves? If there's no-one left, and I remain as the only just one,

    Then I'm God.
    Quote Originally Posted by Louis Napoleon III, Des Idees Napoleoniennes
    Governments have been established to aid society to overcome the obstacles which impede its march. Their forms have been varied according to the problems they have been called to cure, and according to character of the people they have ruled over. Their task never has been, and never will be easy, because the two contrary elements, of which our existence and the nature of society is composed, demand the employment of different means. In view of our divine essence, we need only liberty and work; in view of our mortal nature, we need for our direction a guide and a support. A government is not then, as a distinguished economist has said, a necessary ulcer; it is rather the beneficent motive power of all social organisation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang Held
    I walked into those baracks [of Buchenwald concentrationcamp], in which there were people on the three-layered bunkbeds. But only their eyes were alive. Emaciated, skinny figures, nothing more but skin and bones. One thinks that they are dead, because they did not move. Only the eyes. I started to cry. And then one of the prisoners came, stood by me for a while, put a hand on my shoulder and said to me, something that I will never forget: ''Tränen sind denn nicht genug, mein Junge,
    Tränen sind denn nicht genug.''

    Jajem ssoref is m'n korew
    E goochem mit e wenk, e nar mit e shtomp
    Wer niks is, hot kawsones

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    Default Re: Spy in the PVV (Wilders' Party)?

    He also gives speeches at American synagogues and all that...
    Luckily the upcoming elections will be about the economy and that's why (well and the interal problems) they will only gain like 17 seats instead of 31.

    @Phier

    One of their MP's as an alcohol problem, beats up barmen and building contractors. Another one molested his wife. A new potential MP lied about his/her education. Etcetera, etcetera.

    EDIT:

    Also: We need an election thread. It is the right time, the election is 9 june.
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    Israeli agents operating in the EU must be apprehended.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian View Post
    Israeli agents operating in the EU must be apprehended.
    If he is, yes.


    BTW the mad nutter called to kick Jews out of the comunity if the do not denounce the Goldstone report.
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    Seems a lot like a smear campaign to me.
    Maybe the leaking of it. Probably not the letter itself, it was send about a month ago. When Markuszower heard of it, just after Wilders received the letter, he left the party. The information about the letter has only come out today.

    Markuszower himself also confirms Wilders has received the letter and told Markuszower about it.

    Also this was the AIVD. I don't think they do smearing. And this agency is under the ministry of a CDA (Christian-democrats) minister. They don't really care about Wilders either way.

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    Red spy is in the base!
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    Default Re: Spy in the PVV (Wilders' Party)?

    Wilders is very close with Israel and is a big supporter, so it wouldn't be to big of a surprise that there's some cooperation between Mossad and PVV. However, what possible intel could Mossad get from Holland?
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    Ironic. Wilders spends all his time damning Muslims as traitors and disloyal and praising Jews and Israel as bastions of western civilisation, loyalty and citizenship.

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    We're not really sure what the Dutch Intelligence was talking about, we haven't been spying on anyone.

    The other day Eli was saying how anyone who runs against this gentleman should be assassinated but that's just him being a typical Jew.

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    what do you know, "mossad?" go back to massacring innocent Palestinians

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    This is proof that the Jews are trying to rule the world...clearly. Now, where is Amagi? He's late.
    Why is it that certain people think they're above criticism and satire?

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    Just one? There would be quite a few. Socialist spies, Islamic spies, media spies. It's just part of politics.

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