Labour are just as evil as we thought.

[Denny Crane!]

It was said that the conservatives were just following party politics when they declared that Labour in the final weeks before elections decided to assign contracts and spend money at a rate previously unknown, they were deliberately following the old war time strategy of 'scorched earth' in which you burn any possible yields to starve the invaders who follow.

This was dismissed reasonably as party politics of a new government on Radio 5 live.

This was proven not to be the case on Radio 5 live the next day when it was revealed that there was a highly unusual step of whitehall CS asking for direction not once but four times. Once is considered a nuclear option FYI.

This should make it clear if it wasn't already that the only thing important to the Labour party is power, at a time when the country is suffering its greatest economic threat ever it would endanger that in a bid to win the next election. I hope everyone who voted Labour sees this.

[Carach]

I hope everyone who voted Labour sees this.

they didnt see the labour have put us in over the past 13 years. i dont think this inconvenient truth will make a difference to these voters either. Never ceases to amaze me just how many people out there will vote them through whatever circumstances..

[Defianc4]

they didnt see the labour have put us in over the past 13 years. i dont think this inconvenient truth will make a difference to these voters either. Never ceases to amaze me just how many people out there will vote them through whatever circumstances..

Socialism is a mental disorder.

Plus, there's plenty of institutionalized poverty in the UK. When my mother went to visit Scotland, where most of our family is from, some 7+ generations back, she found it a cesspit of Socialism. While on the train, she noticed a huge government housing compound in the middle of nowhere. If you live in such conditions, how can you find a place to work? How can you ever rise up?

The thing is, you can't. There's no incentive to work hard. All Socialism does is destroy, destroy, destroy, whether it be the economy or the human spirit.

[magickyleo101]

Wait, you're saying that the outgoing Labor gov intentionally spent a bunch of money so that it wouldn't be there when the new government took over?

That's pretty ed if it's true.

[Carach]

That's pretty ed if it's true.

it is true.

turning into american here these days (both in the system that we're now, cheers to the lib dems, trying to implement for some retarded reason, as well as the party politicking, "screw everyone over on the last day" mentality that so many outgoing presidents have across the pond)

[Gelgoog]

it is true.

turning into american here these days

Your welcome

[Pious Agnost]

May 24th, 2009

"Alright Tories! I'll give you your re-election!!!"

*Scorched Earth ensues*

Wow

[Marie Louise von Preussen]

Party politics at its best.

[Denny Crane!]

Well I like fixed terms personally it stops manipulation of the polls for the incumbent party ie. calling the election at the best time. I don't think it is that big a deal.

But what Labour has done is worse than anything I've seen done in the USA, this is one of the biggest political crimes I can think of, to sabotage a country deliberately just to manipulate the polls should literally be criminal.

[Carach]

Well I like fixed terms personally it stops manipulation of the polls for the incumbent party ie. calling the election at the best time. I don't think it is that big a deal.

But what Labour has done is worse than anything I've seen done in the USA, this is one of the biggest political crimes I can think of, to sabotage a country deliberately just to manipulate the polls should literally be criminal.

fixed terms encourage these kind of acts, and they force the politics to evolve around them. This is a bad idea.

as for what they did being criminal: the lies that brown spewed forth week in, week out during PMQs should also have been criminal. a Prime Minister should not be allowed to lie repeatedly on subjects of such massive importance as the very welfare of the state and be allowed to get away with it as he has done.

Denny, the same thing happened in 1997. The Conservatives also bound their successors to a strict spending restrictions in the first 2 years, and decades worth of finances in Defence, PFI and privatisation contracts. Welcome to British governance.

u mean basically forcing them to be responsible in their first few years? Thank god for the tories forcing defence programs on labour in that case, if they hadn't have done we would have no armed forces to speak of today.

[Amorphos]

edit; ^^ tories being so typically two-faced lols

We all know it is the city at fault for the recession and boom n bust generally, the conservatives are their party [or favourite party] and the city voiced its opinion to sway voters against labour many times. Next the tories will create 'small govt' - 'big city' under the guise of giving individuals more power, which is utterly laughable. People vote labour because they can see the city is undemocratic and wants all power to itself, whilst creaming wealth of the hard work of businesses and workers.

city = free lunch, as like the unemployed but with 93% of our earned wealth!

Frankly I don’t think labour done anything like enough to stop the city, being under the shadow of former Thatcherism for perhaps way too long. When they get in again, I hope they will follow the german example in their attitude towards the stock exchange and the banks, but to a far greater degree. Hopefully they will have the gonads to take total control of the city and begin to mend the societal schism it has created for so long.

[Romanos IV]

I thought this happened only in Greece in mid 08 - mid 09... corruption, selfishness and stupidity at is best.

[CrayonVonCaesar]

I used to think labour were selfish, greedy, corrupt, lieing, pseudo-commie scumbags.

I still do.

As to why people still vote for them...
village idiots, '(no) class warriors', mastercard marxists, the workshy, recent immigrants and the 'i alwaysss vooooted laybor!' crowd are to blame.

[Каие]

Denny, the same thing happened in 1997. The Conservatives also bound their successors to a strict spending restrictions in the first 2 years, and decades worth of finances in Defence, PFI and privatisation contracts. Welcome to British governance.

As for this particular case, the only thing that is different is the so called ''nuclear option'', which to my understanding was only for about 5 spending decisions and the implications were political as opposed to purely financial, such as the Unitary authorities. In other cases the objections were bureaucratic, as opposed to fiscal. Some of them may have been scorched earth, but many of them were run-of-the-mill like the Defence contracts, and privatisation/PFI related nonsense. Blame the contract culture of modern Business. Others were items ''close to the particular minister's hearts'' who probably saw it was their last chance to spend the money and so used some bureaucratic loopholes which Mandarins disapproved of.

Either way, I'd take a deeply cynical approach, firstly to the insinuation this is not common place in British history, and secondly the Tory line upon ascension to government was that the Civil Service was pro-Labour using the fact that they clapped Brown when he entered the Treasury in 1997 and a recent leaked document about how to adapt to Tory ministers circulated around the Communities Department, which is one of the departments which had to use the Nuclear option. So the DLGC staff can't be both pro-Labour or anti-Labour now can they. The Tories and Liberals have a hard job to do, as always people, even you, have high hopes.. they like every government ever will not deliver according to expectations. It's always good to have an excuse just in case. Labour did the same in '97 of course.

I used to think labour were selfish, greedy, corrupt, lieing, pseudo-commie scumbags.

I still do.

]As to why people still vote for them...
village idiots, '(no) class warriors', mastercard marxists, the workshy, recent immigrants and the 'i alwaysss vooooted laybor!' crowd are to blame.

Could you detail for the benefit of the forum how exactly ''recent immigrants'' managed to vote in a General Election?

[nemgod]

I used to think labour were selfish, greedy, corrupt, lieing, pseudo-commie scumbags.

I still do.

As to why people still vote for them...
village idiots, '(no) class warriors', mastercard marxists, the workshy, recent immigrants and the 'i alwaysss vooooted laybor!' crowd are to blame.

Maybe because the Tories are exactly the same if not worse but just on the other end of the spectrum.

[DividerOfZero]

The milibands will fit them perfectly.

[Каие]

Yet, people are complaining that Labour signed a bunch of Defence deals in it's last year in office.

[Carach]

Yet, people are complaining that Labour signed a bunch of Defence deals in it's last year in office.

theres a lot more there than defence deals.

the factor people are angry with on the defence stuff is the apparently extremely over-priced nature of them - but we already know the answer to this; yet more incompetence in managing funds. its something labour have become notorious for not only on the defence-related stuff, but on managing the country in general.

[Каие]

theres a lot more there than defence deals.

Yeah, special needs schools.

the factor people are angry with on the defence stuff is the apparently extremely over-priced nature of them - but we already know the answer to this; yet more incompetence in managing funds. its something labour GOVERNMENT have become notorious for not only on the defence-related stuff, but on managing the country in general.

Fixed.

Rome you got any links to information about what happened in months prior to the 97 election?

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/br...r=1997&units=b

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/classic#ukgs302

An excellent site showing the history of spending. The Tories tripled the national debt in 4 years up to 1997.

Even Maggie quadrupled Health spending between '79 and and tripled the debt in her time.

Lets not all fall for Golden Age syndrome in the naive belief that Labour are unique in ruining finances or messing up the economy. All we've ever known is Labour, we didn't grow up under the Tories. In 5 years time everyone will hate the Tories too, and naive whiners will demand the BNP or UKIP or SWP take over because no one can be trusted. Government is inefficient, and incompetent in general... BECAUSE RUNNING THE COUNTRY IS A HARD JOB THAT NO ONE CAN DO PERFECTLY, ESPECIALLY YOU HERE ON THIS FORUM.Accept this, and make peace with life.

[Denny Crane!]

Yeah, special needs schools.



Fixed.



http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/br...r=1997&units=b

http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/classic#ukgs302

An excellent site showing the history of spending. The Tories tripled the national debt in 4 years up to 1997.

Even Maggie quadrupled Health spending between '79 and and tripled the debt in her time.

Lets not all fall for Golden Age syndrome in the naive belief that Labour are unique in ruining finances or messing up the economy. All we've ever known is Labour, we didn't grow up under the Tories. In 5 years time everyone will hate the Tories too, and naive whiners will demand the BNP or UKIP or SWP take over because no one can be trusted. Government is inefficient, and incompetent in general... BECAUSE RUNNING THE COUNTRY IS A HARD JOB THAT NO ONE CAN DO PERFECTLY, ESPECIALLY YOU HERE ON THIS FORUM.Accept this, and make peace with life.

Bit of a superior sounding rant considering I just asked for information....

As it happens I was going to go on to talk about Germanies new budget legislation that I heard about it but now....ugh.