Has rascism vigilance gone too far?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

A woman who owns a clothes shop just appeared on a chat show here in Ireland. She was accused of being rascist, and there was an "expert" (someone from some rascism charity) brought on to accuse her. There was noone to defend her.

What she was being accused of is absolutely ridiculous. Some Romanians were caught shoplifting in her shop multiple times. So she put up CCTV pictures of them in the shop window and wrote "BARRED" underneath it.

Firstly, the host told her that she had no authority to ban anyone from her own shop (yes she does). Then the host accused her of being rascist by writing barred under a picture of shoplifters who just happened to be Romanian.

If the shoplifters were Irish, there would be no trouble at all. Anyway the woman was a little silly putting up a poster like that, but she didn't mean to be rascist, and they were shoplifters.

Anyway, do you think our vigilance of rascism has gone a bit too far these days? Not that we should be under-vigilant...

[Trax]

It's about gypsies right?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

It's about gypsies right?

yeah Roma Gypsies

Romanians are white. Wtf. I say the show is racist for claiming that Romanians are a different race.

Our species has no rascies according to the biological definition, although people like to think of different skin colours as races.

I think it's rascist to treat the Romanians differently from anybody else by not barring them.

Well thats PC for ya. As the owner she can refuse to serve whoever she chooses at least in the U.S. I think, dunno about Ireland. Did she know they were Romanian? It could change some things but she still had every right to ban those ppl from entering the store especially if she has them on video stealing. Link to article would be nice.

well it's not big news so I haven't seen any stories about it, it was just on one show

[Wolfgang von Zweibrücken]

Our species has no rascies according to the biological definition, although people like to think of different skin colours as races.

Race goes beyond skin-colour, unfortunately. Otherwise tanning cream could change one's race at will.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Race goes beyond skin-colour, unfortunately. Otherwise tanning cream could change one's race at will.

by biological race I mean the taxonomic rank below species, and there are none for our species. Even cats have only two races, african wildcats and domestic cats. Breeds aren't different enough to be considered.

[DividerOfZero]

Our species has no rascies according to the biological definition, although people like to think of different skin colours as races.

Sorry, but here you are very, very wrong.

[Wolfgang von Zweibrücken]

Romanians are white. Wtf. I say the show is racist for claiming that Romanians are a different race.

[Dr. Croccer]

Romanians are white. Wtf. I say the show is racist for claiming that Romanians are a different race.

Most ''Romanian'' criminals in the West tend to be Gypos.

[Lonck]

Well thats PC for ya. As the owner she can refuse to serve whoever she chooses at least in the U.S. I think, dunno about Ireland. Did she know they were Romanian? It could change some things but she still had every right to ban those ppl from entering the store especially if she has them on video stealing. Link to article would be nice.

[Trax]

yeah Roma Gypsies

Poor Romanians. They must hate them for thing like this one.

[mongrel]

A woman who owns a clothes shop just appeared on a chat show here in Ireland. She was accused of being rascist, and there was an "expert" (someone from some rascism charity) brought on to accuse her. There was noone to defend her.

What she was being accused of is absolutely ridiculous. Some Romanians were caught shoplifting in her shop multiple times. So she put up CCTV pictures of them in the shop window and wrote "BARRED" underneath it.

Firstly, the host told her that she had no authority to ban anyone from her own shop (yes she does). Then the host accused her of being rascist by writing barred under a picture of shoplifters who just happened to be Romanian.

If the shoplifters were Irish, there would be no trouble at all. Anyway the woman was a little silly putting up a poster like that, but she didn't mean to be rascist, and they were shoplifters.

Anyway, do you think our vigilance of rascism has gone a bit too far these days? Not that we should be under-vigilant...

The forum requires a source otherwise we will just end up talking bollocks. After all the Gardai deals with shoplifters, not chat show hosts. If she had genuinely suffered losses and had identified who they were and they were as per the photo, then a constable should have the pictures and the perps would be nicked, problem solved. If it is a picture of any old Roma, different matter.

Anyway,if it helps here is a source.

http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer...tory119624.asp

[Garbarsardar]

A woman who owns a clothes shop just appeared on a chat show here in Ireland. She was accused of being rascist, and there was an "expert" (someone from some rascism charity) brought on to accuse her. There was noone to defend her.

What she was being accused of is absolutely ridiculous. Some Romanians were caught shoplifting in her shop multiple times. So she put up CCTV pictures of them in the shop window and wrote "BARRED" underneath it.

Firstly, the host told her that she had no authority to ban anyone from her own shop (yes she does). Then the host accused her of being rascist by writing barred under a picture of shoplifters who just happened to be Romanian.

If the shoplifters were Irish, there would be no trouble at all. Anyway the woman was a little silly putting up a poster like that, but she didn't mean to be rascist, and they were shoplifters.

Anyway, do you think our vigilance of rascism has gone a bit too far these days? Not that we should be under-vigilant...

Two points.

The meeting follows controversy over the decision by a business woman, who claims her shop was targeted by women wearing traditional Roma dress, to display four large A4-sized colour photographs of members of the Roma community under the word “beware”. source

So, the word was not barred or anything but "beware" and second it is quite unsure if the persons depicted in the photos were the actual shoplifters. To provide with an analogue the effect of the pictures posted was similar to the following:

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So in your opinion, could it legitimately be construed as racist or not?

[Marto]

I was just going to add that I couldn't possibly comment without an example of what the poster actually said.

It sounds to me however like an over-reaction, much like the situation that has brought about positive discrimination in the UK - which to me is as bad as negative because it promotes teh notion of discrimination and creates resentment. If it happens that people cannot be vilified for crime because they are from a separate racial group then it has become ridiculous, which I assume is the point of the thread.

If you don't want discrimination to be a problem then don't discriminate in any way.

[mongrel]

I was just going to add that I couldn't possibly comment without an example of what the poster actually said.

It sounds to me however like an over-reaction, much like the situation that has brought about positive discrimination in the UK - which to me is as bad as negative because it promotes teh notion of discrimination and creates resentment. If it happens that people cannot be vilified for crime because they are from a separate racial group then it has become ridiculous, which I assume is the point of the thread.

If you don't want discrimination to be a problem then don't discriminate in any way.

Positive discrimination is illegal in the UK. And will stay that way now Harriet Harman is no longer a minister.So I fail to see how people can resent something which does not exist.

[Ciabhán]

Her shop, her property. She doesn't have to serve anyone if she doesn't want to and can 'decorate' how she wishes. Whether it is ethically or morally wrong to do so doesn't matter.

Were it a government institution or a public company things would be different, but as she is the private owner of the business then she is within her rights to do what she wants with it. Just because someone decides to sell something for profit doesn't mean they lose the right to determine who they allow on their property.

[Marto]

Positive discrimination is illegal in the UK. And will stay that way now Harriet Harman is no longer a minister.So I fail to see how people can resent something which does not exist.

Doesn't exist? Yeah right, pull the other one. Have you ever worked in private sector business? Investment Banks do it all the time. They make sure they have certain quota of certain ethnic groups and a suitable male:female ratio. Supermarkets is another example with them having 1% of staff with 'learning difficulties'.

Managing a company like that is positive discrimination, not the best person for the job.

[Claudius Gothicus]

Even if the incident implied racism(which it pretty much did from what I can see) it's not fair and ethic to bully people over a midly racist controversy on live television you know.

[♔DARTH LEGO♔]

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[Domnul Ceaşcă]

Aaa, the romanian gypo`s...pride of Romania, making a good name for us again... altough i`m starting to not care what gypsies do, because in the end, anyone with a decent IQ can differentiate Romanians from Gypsies\Roma\Tigani\whatever.

[Dr. Croccer]

Aaa, the romanian gypo`s...pride of Romania, making a good name for us again... altough i`m starting to not care what gypsies do, because in the end, anyone with a decent IQ can differentiate Romanians from Gypsies\Roma\Tigani\whatever.

Dunno. Both are burly, brown and are often in countries where they don't belong.