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    WASHINGTON (AP) - Party-switching Sen. Arlen Specter fell to a younger and far less experienced rival in the Pennsylvania Democratic primary, and political novice Rand Paul rode support from tea party activists to a Republican rout in Kentucky on Tuesday, the latest jolts to the political establishment in a tumultuous midterm election season.

    In another race with national significance, Democrat Mark Critz won a special House election to fill out the term of the late Democratic Rep. John Murtha in southwestern Pennsylvania. The two political parties spent roughly $1 million apiece hoping to sway the outcome there, and highlighted the contest as a possible bellwether for the fall when all 435 House seats will be on the ballot.

    On the busiest night of the primary season to date, Arkansas Democratic Sen. Blanche Lincoln was forced into a potentially debilitating June runoff election against Lt. Gov. Bill Halter in her bid for nomination to a third term. Rep. John Boozman won the Republican line on the ballot outright.
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    Taken together, the evening's results were indisputably unkind to the political establishments of both parties - with more contested primaries yet to come, particularly among Republicans.

    But any attempt to read into the results a probable trend for the fall campaign was hazardous - particularly given Critz's victory over Republican Tim Burns to succeed Democrat Murtha in Congress.

    Specter, seeking his sixth term and first as a Democrat, fell to two-term Rep. Joe Sestak, who spent three decades in the Navy before entering politics. Sestak was winning 54 percent of the vote to 46 percent for Specter. He told cheering supporters his triumph marked a "win for the people over the establishment, over the status quo, even over Washington, D.C."

    Sestak's campaign calling card was a television commercial that showed former President George W. Bush saying he could count on Specter, then a Republican, and then had Specter saying he had switched parties so he could win re-election. Once unleashed, it coincided with a steady decline in Specter's early lead in the polls and signaled the end of the political line for the most durable politician of his generation in Pennsylvania.

    Former Rep. Pat Toomey won the Republican nomination and will run against Sestak in the fall in what is likely to be one of the marquee races in the battle for control of the Senate.

    Among Republicans, Paul's victory over Secretary of State Trey Grayson was a rebuke to the GOP Senate leader, Mitch McConnell. McConnell recruited Grayson to the race after pushing the incumbent, Sen. Jim Bunning, into retirement out of concern that he would lose the seat to the Democrats.

    Kentucky marked the third time that tea party activists, a collection of disparate groups without a central political structure, have placed their stamp on Republican races.

    Their votes at a Utah Republican convention helped deny a spot on the ballot to Sen. Bob Bennett, a conservative judged as not sufficiently so. And their backing helped propel one-time longshot Republican Marco Rubio to a lead in the pre-primary polls in Florida's Senate race, prompting Gov. Charlie Crist to quit the party and run as an independent.

    Before Specter's defeat, West Virginia Democratic Rep. Alan Mollohan was the only incumbent in his party to lose a primary.

    Paul celebrated his triumph in an appearance before supporters.

    "I have a message, a message from the tea party, a message that is loud and clear and does not mince words: We have come to take our government back," he said, a 47-year-old eye surgeon making his first run for office.

    He opponent in the fall will be Jack Conway, the Kentucky attorney general, winner over Lt. Gov. Daniel Mongiardo in the Democratic primary.

    But the same energy that helped Paul to victory presented problems to be handled carefully by the Republicans in the run-up to November, when control of both houses of Congress will be at stake.

    Paul has said he might not support his fellow Kentuckian, McConnell, for a new term as party leader. And no sooner had Tuesday's results been posted than Richard Viguerie, a longtime conservative warrior, suggested McConnell step aside.

    The far-flung races took place a little less than five months before the midterm elections. President Barack Obama backed incumbents in his party's races, but despite the stakes for his legislative agenda the White House insisted he was not following the results very closely.

    High unemployment, an economy just now emerging from the worst recession in generations and Congress' decision to bail out Wall Street giants in 2008 all added to voters' unease, polls said. In a survey released shortly before the polls closed, ABC said voter expectations for the economy had turned optimistic for the first time in six years. At that, only 33 percent of those polled said so in the network's polling, compared with 29 percent saying the opposite.

    In Oregon, Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden avoided the deluge afflicting other incumbents and won nomination to a third full term. Republican Jim Huffman won the GOP primary.

    In Kentucky, Paul had 59 percent of the vote to 35 percent for Grayson.

    Paul countered Grayson's establishment support with endorsements - and the political energy that flowed along with them - from tea party activists, former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin and Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, a conservative eager to push his party rightward in advance of the broader fall campaign.

    On his website, Paul, 47 and an ophthalmologist, calls himself a "career doctor, not a politician." He favors a balanced budget and paying off the national debt over time, but the website mentions no specifics.

    He opposes all federal bailouts of private industry and government subsidies for alternative energy sources such as solar and wind power.

    He has called Washington lobbyists a "distinctly criminal class" and favors banning lobbying and campaign contributions by anyone holding a federal contract exceeding $1 million.

    Eager to avoid long-term fallout from a bruising primary, GOP leaders in Kentucky set a unity breakfast for Saturday.

    The far-flung primaries took place a little less than five months before midterm elections in which Republicans will challenge Democrats for control of both houses of Congress. President Barack Obama backed incumbents in his party's races, but despite the stakes for his legislative agenda the White House insisted he was not following the results very closely.

    There were gubernatorial races in Oregon and Pennsylvania.

    Attorney General Tom Corbett won the Republican nomination in Pennsylvania with ease. Dan Onorato led three rivals for the Democratic nomination.

    In Oregon, former Democratic Gov. John Kitzhaber won the nomination in a comeback bid.

    In Arkansas, the Democratic Senate race took on trappings of a clash of outside interests. Records on file with the Federal Election Commission showed outside groups had spent nearly $10 million to sway the outcome.

    Lincoln positioned herself as an independent-minded Democrat not beholden to her party. Halter's campaign was backed by labor unions unhappy with Lincoln's opposition to a government option under health care, legislation making it easier for unions to organize and trade legislation. Little Rock businessman D.C. Morrison also ran.

    As if primaries weren't enough, both parties had other concerns.

    Rep. Mark Souder, a conservative Republican from Indiana, abruptly announced he would resign on Friday, admitting he had had an affair with a woman on his congressional payroll.

    And Democrat Richard Blumenthal, the Connecticut attorney general running for the Senate, disputed a newspaper report that he lied about having served in Vietnam.

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    Rand Paul aligns himself with the Tea Party. Does the Tea Party know what their getting into by electing a libertarian?
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    Damn I liked Spector, but not a dem so couldn't vote for him in the primaries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam Damon Wannabe View Post
    Damn I liked Spector, but not a dem so couldn't vote for him in the primaries.
    I gotta say I don't dislike Spector as much as a lot of people in PA. I respected the fact that he jumped from the sinking ship that is the Republican party, it's hard for moderates to exist there anymore. I liked his positons on several issues in recent years. But what has he really done other than stay in office? In fact, he's been a Senator longer than I've been alive. Plus, Spector is 80 years old. People questioned if he would be able to finish another full term in office.

    On the primary winner...I really like Joe Sestak and I think he will be very sucessful. Although right now the polls show him to be even with Pat Toomey, I think he will win handily as Pat Toomey is way too Conservative...he's essentially Rick Santorum 2.0.

    Today I also voted for Mark Critz who defeated a highly touted Tea Party candidate (Tim Burns) which I was clearly glad to see. What remains to be seen is if he will use too much of his energy and political clout to simply keep Johnstown afloat. I liked what John Murtha did on a national level, but here in the western part of his district (actually the more populated side, closer to Pittsburgh) we didn't see much from him. However, I believe that Critz, having been close to Murtha for many years, will learn from his predecessor's mistakes.

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    Unfortunately Rand Paul is a lot less libertarian than his father.
    Yes this is very much true. Rand Paul is more of a neoconservative. I hate to insult the guy (so early on, anyway ) but he has more in common with Sarah Palin idealogically than his father.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthippus of Sparta View Post
    I respected the fact that he jumped from the sinking ship that is the Republican party, it's hard for moderates to exist there anymore.
    Specter was not a moderate conservative, he was a Center Left politician that was even backed by GWB in 2004 in the PA GOP Primary. The GOP also backed Left Wing Lincoln Chaffee for re-election over the center Right candidate.

    The GOP is the party with the most Moderate candidates, the Democrats flush moderates out as much as they can like they tried to do with Lieberman a few year ago. Republicans on the other hand do as much as they can to bail out moderates like Specter and Chafee as wel as Collins and Snowe.

    The Republican Moderates in Blue states actually are moderates, the Democrat so-called moderates in Redstates are not much different from the ones in Blue States like the two senators in Arkansas, the two in West Virginia and Jim Webb of Virginia.
    Most of those so-called Blue Dog Democrats have been exposed, they talk like a moderates but vote like a Liberal. The GOP Moderates actually have more leverage and more involvement in party matters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47 View Post
    Specter was not a moderate conservative, he was a Center Left politician that was even backed by GWB in 2004 in the PA GOP Primary. The GOP also backed Left Wing Lincoln Chaffee for re-election over the center Right candidate.
    On Social and Domestic issues and such Specter could be considered on the Left in some instances. But on National and Foreign policy he did not differ from the Republicans much. However I would agree that Specter does represent an older Liberal Republican demographic (in the mold of, say, Eisenhower or the Rockefellers) that really doesn't exist anymore.

    The GOP is the party with the most Moderate candidates, the Democrats flush moderates out as much as they can like they tried to do with Lieberman a few year ago. Republicans on the other hand do as much as they can to bail out moderates like Specter and Chafee as wel as Collins and Snowe.
    Not true, I'll state an example that is on topic. Mark Critz is a Conservative Democrat that just won John Murtha's seat. Critz is pro-life, anti-gun control, and was aganist the Healthcare Bill entirely.

    The Republican Moderates in Blue states actually are moderates, the Democrat so-called moderates in Redstates are not much different from the ones in Blue States like the two senators in Arkansas, the two in West Virginia and Jim Webb of Virginia.
    Most of those so-called Blue Dog Democrats have been exposed, they talk like a moderates but vote like a Liberal. The GOP Moderates actually have more leverage and more involvement in party matters.
    I would disagree. Conservative Democrats from small, mainly western states had a huge influence (and I would argue, a disproportionate influence) on the formation of the recent Health Care bill, for example.

    Quote Originally Posted by AK47 View Post
    No, they want small goverment conservatives.
    Fiscal Conservativism is the main goal of the Tea Partiers.
    True, at least in theory. I would argue that "small government" is kind of an anarchronism nowdays, and was long before the time when Ronald Reagan first campaigned on it. And Conservatives say that Liberals are the idealistic ones.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by AK47 View Post
    Specter was not a moderate conservative, he was a Center Left politician that was even backed by GWB in 2004 in the PA GOP Primary. The GOP also backed Left Wing Lincoln Chaffee for re-election over the center Right candidate.

    The GOP is the party with the most Moderate candidates, the Democrats flush moderates out as much as they can like they tried to do with Lieberman a few year ago. Republicans on the other hand do as much as they can to bail out moderates like Specter and Chafee as wel as Collins and Snowe.

    The Republican Moderates in Blue states actually are moderates, the Democrat so-called moderates in Redstates are not much different from the ones in Blue States like the two senators in Arkansas, the two in West Virginia and Jim Webb of Virginia.
    Most of those so-called Blue Dog Democrats have been exposed, they talk like a moderates but vote like a Liberal. The GOP Moderates actually have more leverage and more involvement in party matters.

    I'm sorru are you saying that GW Bush was left wing?! What are you smoking and can I have some? Lieberman is a corporatist thru and thru, bought lock stock and barrel by corporate america to do there bidding against the best interests of his constituents and the nation so again a perfect republican (seriously if a hostile foreign power paid politicans as much as multi nationals do, it would be investigated throughly why do corporations get a pass? Especially as they are more dangerous to democracy than iran or NK will ever manage.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthippus of Sparta View Post
    Yes this is very much true. Rand Paul is more of a neoconservative.
    Um Rand Paul opposes the Iraq War. Unless Neo-cons now hate the war in Iraq.

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    Rand also blamed 9/11 on Israil in a press event. The guy seems like a nut to me. Should be a fun race to watch come the final election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Disaray View Post
    Rand also blamed 9/11 on Israil in a press event. The guy seems like a nut to me. Should be a fun race to watch come the final election.
    He also complained that Medicare was "socialized medicine" and should have a $2,000 deductible.

    I almost wish these guys would put Ron Paul in the White House and a bunch of his disciples in Congress for a few years, just so we could see once & for all how terrible their ideas would be in practice.
    Of course I say 'almost' because I'm not that spiteful... and besides, once their policies turned the country to they'd just blame everything on a Bilderberg Group conspiracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xanthippus of Sparta View Post
    I liked what John Murtha did on a national level, but here in the western part of his district (actually the more populated side, closer to Pittsburgh) we didn't see much from him. However, I believe that Critz, having been close to Murtha for many years, will learn from his predecessor's mistakes.


    ahhh daddy pork didnt bring enough bacon to you guys on the west side? What a shame he wasnt able to steal more federal taxes raised by all 50 states to buy your votes! ......................................................
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    Your aware of building codes right? Should government get involve with mandating building codes across the country? How would consumers and businesses go bankrupt if they install fire codes or fire alarms? I might of misunderstood you there.

    Oh yeah sorry added the building part by mistake that one should have been in the meth part


    So when my resteraunt burns down and everyone inside dies beacouse the biulding wasn't up to code, didn't have properly instaled doors to alow easy escape or smoke detectors to alert people ect., you would say that it is fine and just the "invisible hand of the market" doing its work? Sure after the biulding burns down I am out of business but I guess that isn't much comfort to the dead....

    again sorry about that should have been pasted with the meth part



    So now you want to have it both ways? Come now it is my right to do as I wish with my property and cooking meth

    The deferance is your harming someone with a meth lab(Toxic smoke,fire,etc) where as if you refuse service to someone your only hurting your self with lost of profit and bad publicity
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    There are 2 types of tea parties.

    The original Libertarian type. Ron Paul, etc.

    And the Corporate Sponsored Fox News Promoted Sarah Palin worshiping fakes that make a lot of noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenuensis View Post
    There are 2 types of tea parties.

    The original Libertarian type. Ron Paul, etc.

    And the Corporate Sponsored Fox News Promoted Sarah Palin worshiping fakes that make a lot of noise.
    Damn you beat me to it... yep the original Tea Party is that of Ron Paul and the libertarian party. So, yeah they do know what they are getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenuensis View Post
    There are 2 types of tea parties.

    The original Libertarian type. Ron Paul, etc.

    And the Corporate Sponsored Fox News Promoted Sarah Palin worshiping fakes that make a lot of noise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenuensis View Post
    And the Corporate Sponsored Fox News Promoted Sarah Palin worshiping fakes that make a lot of noise.
    Corporate-sponsored? Obama has received the most money from corporations. And nobody on the right worships Sarah Palin; the only people fascinated by her are rabid, fanatical Socialists intent on Quayling her to doom.

    Speaking of media sponsorship, let's just forget about the 20,000 leftist news channels and newspapers.

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    Well Sestak is not that bad really.
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    There are 2 types of tea parties.

    The original Libertarian type. Ron Paul, etc.

    And the Corporate Sponsored Fox News Promoted Sarah Palin worshiping fakes that make a lot of noise.
    Ah good to hear that evil is tearing itself apart from within already
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    HOT DAMN!

    I hope that Rand can continue his streak. I'd be very interested to see what kind of Senator he'd make. He's not as 'radical' as his dad is and he was a good candidate before the Tea Party crap even existed.
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    Is he really named after Ayn Rand?

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    Does the Tea Party know what their getting into by electing a libertarian?
    Unfortunately Rand Paul is a lot less libertarian than his father.

    Is he really named after Ayn Rand?
    No, his real name is Randal, but his nickname became Rand. It had nothing to do with Ayn Rand.

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