The death penalty

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I haven't really supported this

but I just saw a documentary about a supermax prison in california. There are guys there who regularly killed other inmates and guards, and are locked in solitary confinement all day, and they still make crossbows and and shoot guards dead through holes in the doors. The only thing the authorities can do is take away their dessert.

surely people like that should die?

[Ciabhán]

Among others, yes. Though for those squeamish types who oppose the death penalty no matter the crime I would be agree with locking the sons of es in a lightless hole in the ground and letting them fend for themselves.(no food, water, electricity, etc provided by society: they don't want to be part of society then they don't get to reap the benefits of civilisation)

[antaeus]

Among others, yes. Though for those squeamish types who oppose the death penalty no matter the crime I would be agree with locking the sons of es in a lightless hole in the ground and letting them fend for themselves.(no food, water, electricity, etc provided by society: they don't want to be part of society then they don't get to reap the benefits of civilisation)

what do you mean no benefits for letting people fend for themselves... you need to watch escape from new york!

[Ciabhán]

what do you mean no benefits for letting people fend for themselves... you need to watch escape from new york!

I mean take the s, lock them in a hole, lose the key(better yet weld the bloody thing shut), let them do what they will. People who have chosen to be outside society should not be allowed any of the benefits of society. Therefore society should not pay to feed, water, house, or otherwise care for them after they are removed from society.

[antaeus]

I mean take the s, lock them in a hole, lose the key(better yet weld the bloody thing shut), let them do what they will. People who have chosen to be outside society should not be allowed any of the benefits of society. Therefore society should not pay to feed, water, house, or otherwise care for them after they are removed from society.

i figured... was being a little tongue in cheek...

in my opinion... the entire concept of prison is slightly flawed. if you're not going to try to make a functioning member of society out of a criminal then you might as well safe some cash, line them up against a wall and shoot them. therefore i think full life sentences in prison is a big waste of cash.

to be a true deterrent to crime, i think prison sentences need to have an end point. if it's just prison without end, then people learn to live with it, and live out their lives... but if there's a set end point... then they have an actual sense of lost time.

i often see the quote "if prisons worked, we wouldn't need any" which might be slightly flawed, but certainly it has some relevance in the discussion.

we've tried prisons in a vaguely similar vein to what we have in most western nations for the best part of the last century or so and they've made little or no dent on crime rates, re-offending rates etc... which means we're probably looking at the concept of prison entirely wrong. death sentences only make a vague difference on offending rates... life sentences don't seem to be a deterrent either. the real indicators of crime, how often it's committed and by whom seem to be socio economic (with exceptions obviously). people don't commit crime to get caught... so the punishment probably has little relevance to the actual act of breaking the law.

i know it's anathema to the reactionary tough on crime crowd... but i'd be interested in seeing prisons transformed from crime schools. (which they are at the moment) into some kind of positive environment where the majority of prisoners dont come out of prison with more knowledge and connections in the crime world than they went in with.

i think i've strayed into another topic so i maybe shouldn't press too far ahead...

[Amagi]

I am against the death penalty.

[Wolfgang von Zweibrücken]

I haven't really supported this

but I just saw a documentary about a supermax prison in california. There are guys there who regularly killed other inmates and guards, and are locked in solitary confinement all day, and they still make crossbows and and shoot guards dead through holes in the doors. The only thing the authorities can do is take away their dessert.

surely people like that should die?

If somebody is put in solitary for murdering another prisoner and has the materials on hand to fashion a CROSSBOW then something is very wrong, either with the state of that prison's solitary confinement-furnishings, or with the thoroughness of their cavity-searches.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

If somebody is put in solitary for murdering another prisoner and has the materials on hand to fashion a CROSSBOW then something is very wrong, either with the state of that prison's solitary confinement-furnishings, or with the thoroughness of their cavity-searches.

they make crossbows out of paper and elastic from their underwear. That's the only materials they need. They have their whole lives to make them, after all. They might spend years making one.

Anyway, there are loads of people in isolation who regularly kill, they need to be executed, nothing else can be done.

[Wolfgang von Zweibrücken]

they make crossbows out of paper and elastic from their underwear. That's the only materials they need. They have their whole lives to make them, after all. They might spend years making one.

Anyway, there are loads of people in isolation who regularly kill, they need to be executed, nothing else can be done.

And what do they launch? Their own teeth?

[removeduser_4536284751384]

And what do they launch? Their own teeth?

a toothbrush with a razorblade stuck in the end, or if they can't get that, a toothbrush with a sharp corner of a plastic stuck in the end. They get the plastic from food trays, or from other toothbrushes. If they can't get a toothbrush they can make a dart out of either toilet paper or newspaper, although they need something for the point.

They scratch the eye height of passing guards on their door posts and aim for that. It would probably only cause superficial, although obviously painful, damage if it hit anywhere but the eye.

For an added bonus they often smear the point in their own excrement, or if they have an STD, ejaculate. If they have AIDS they can smear it in blood and give it to the guards.

[JaNuZ99]

death penalty FTW! some people can't be reformed (not that i even understand why we try to think that we can change psychotic murderers) and we shouldnt spend money to keep the alive the rest of their lives, lets be smart and save some money and just shoot them.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

But, but but,, but, what about that poor black man from The Green Mile!? SURELY EVERYONE IN PRISON IS JUST MISUNDERSTOOD AND DOESN'T DESERVE TO DIE!

[KngGilgamesh]

I suppose an equalized Hammurabi's Code shall be fine.
The criminals should fear punishment, so as to not do the crime and if they do it than....
of course justice, to prove if someone's guilty or not should be more enforced.

[magickyleo101]

I support the death penalty for a narrow range of crimes. Some people simply deserve to die after what they've done.

[Stavroforos]

Definitely support death penalty, so long as a life was taken or gross treason was committed. Perhaps in some other extreme cases too, but I can't think of any.

[Space Wolves]

Death penalty, but only for serious crimes. Even then those are far and few. I would especially like if they didn't have to wait 20 or so god damn years before they get the needle. I honestly wonder how much money we'd save if they were just sent to the chair within a couple months to a year at least =/

[Stavroforos]

Oh, and I would abolish the needle.

Firing squad, guillotine, and hanging.

[Space Wolves]

Old Fashioned eh? Love your taste. I prefer the Judas cradle for the most extreme, extreme cases. But that'd seem to barbaric.

[Stavroforos]

Yeah...I think I'll pass on that one.

I just looked it up and cringed a little, lol.

[garudamon11]

im with the death penalty , some people deserve to die