People's Ignorant Views of Communism A.K.A Damn you McCarthy!

[Sir Winston Churchill]

I'm getting a tad annoyed by some people's ignorant views of Communism, and their reactions to it. Also I'm not talking about "Oh I don't like Communism" type stuff, that I can accept and respect, but it irks me whenever I read some tards comments about how "a good commie is a dead commie". Just wanting someone dead in the first place is horrible, but because they're Communist and it's horrible and ignorant.

I can't help but look back and thank people like Joe McCarthy for ruining the opinion of Communism in most people's minds. All that bogus propaganda, the unconstitutional purges of Communists (i.e. deportations based on your political beliefs), all that crap has burned this horrible image of Communism in people's brains from the 60's on. Then these ill-informed people pass on this bogus opinion to their children, and their childrens' children, and we continue on with this family of "no-good red scum" haters.

I also blame people like Stalin, Mao, and that Kim Jong il for claiming to be Communist and making the world hate Communism based on their actions, because people think that what they're doing really is Communism and not the screwed-up and twisted form of a dictatorship they're really running. These people are honestly the main reason people hate Communism I wager, because they've ruined it with their own greed and goals, simply using "Communism" as a means to brainwash their people to be willing to give up anything for the good of the "state".

Yet because of all this, no one ever really learns what true Communism is, and it really ticks me off that people feel they can make statements like I've given examples of before without trying to learn the real Communism, as in not just from America's point of view on it. Had they actually learned about what true Communism really is, they might have completely different opinions on Communism, some might even become Communist themselves. But of course, I deserve to die because I'm a dirty red commie scumbag that just wants your freedom and to enslave your sons and to rape your daughters, right? What do I know.

I'm sorry, but some people and events today have really ticked me off. The sheer ignorance of some people... gah!

*BTW, before you say anything, I do understand Communism is ripe for failure in most cases due to the fact human nature will always dictate someone wanting to take everything for himself. Like Stalin, Mao, and Kim Jong. I have no illusions to this. However I am a Communist as far as the belief in wanting a true Communist state. Again though, I'm not blind nor ignorant to believe it is easily attainable, for now at least. Just wanted to put on my flame armor.

[Amagi]

Communism already claimed 100+ mio lives, little to no reason to give it a second chance. And as I see you are a "proud marxist", you might find this quote of interest:




So much for "prosecuting people"...

BTW, Lenin was as a *r as Stalin was.

I have not yet met a philosophy from the khazars, that didnt end in catastrophy, may it be bolshevism, communism or zionism.

You are good at heart, but dont get fooled. Don´t be a

"useful idiot"

Lenin

The true opressor is the debt slavery system we live in- a fact Marx cautiously keeps out in his brabbling against the "burgeoisie" and employers. We have seen that in France aswell, where the "revolution" was basically a massslaughter of the elites in the name of "libertée",Egalitée and Fraternitee"- enabling the khazars to fill in the gaps left over from aristocracy.
Same goes for the bolshevist revolution in russia. They set themselves on the top of a revolutionary movement, may it be gay rights, communism, emancipation, gender equality, promotion of mass immigration, even the hippy movement (Ginsburg)... with just one goal:

To break up the nation and suppress them and claim the power in a commie state.
Dont fall for it, communism is an illness of intellect.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Communism already claimed 100+ mio lives, little to no reason to give it a second chance.

This is exactly what I mean. Communism didn't kill those people, the idiots in power, i.e. Stalin, killed those people.

[Strelok]

'Cause all Communism is Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism/Other-branches-of-violent-&-authoritarian and all Communists believe in the ideology of the USSR and North Korea, Vietnam and China, right? The philosophy in the abstract is to blame, right? It has nothing to do with corrupt authoritarian that both separate libertarian & authoritarian commies would disagree with, right? You should totally generalize the abstract philosophy based on the actions of corrupt regimes. I guess we should blame everything for every single problem in the world then since corrupt, alternate branches as a result of individual regimes reflect so heavily on an the abstract philosophy itself.

I'm a Syndaclist, but blaming Communism as a whole for the actions of individual leaders and regimes is a commonplace action among the interwebs. I find it to be an unfounded basis for dislike.

Although the premise of my post was sarcastic, no kittens were killed in the making and no hostility is intended.

[Wolfgang von Zweibrücken]

'Cause all Communism is Leninism/Stalinism/Maoism/Other-branches-of-violent-&-authoritarian and all Communists believe in the ideology of the USSR and North Korea, Vietnam and China, right? The philosophy in the abstract is to blame, right? It has nothing to do with corrupt authoritarian that both separate libertarian & authoritarian commies would disagree with, right? You should totally generalize the abstract philosophy based on the actions of corrupt regimes. I guess we should blame everything for every single problem in the world then since corrupt, alternate branches as a result of individual regimes reflect so heavily on an the abstract philosophy itself.

I'm a Syndaclist, but blaming Communism as a whole for the actions of individual leaders and regimes is a commonplace action among the interwebs. I find it to be an unfounded basis for dislike.

Although the premise of my post was sarcastic, no kittens were killed in the making and no hostility is intended.

Most people blame National Socialism as a whole for the actions of individual National Socialist leaders...

In fact, nearly all modern day communists and Marxists do just that - habitually.

Personally, I believe that the differences between the Terror of the 1790s, the Terror of the 1920s and the Terror of the 1940s are primarily cosmetic.

[Hattushilish]

I'm pretty far to the left, but in the Communist Manifesto, Marx says:

"The theory of Communism may be summed up in the single sentence: Abolition of private property."

That's my beef with communism. I think private property is necessary as a means of motivating people to succeed.Completely laissez-faire capitalism doesn't work either, but private property and the market system serve important purposes.The most desirable system IMO is a capitalist one with a strong social safety net thatprevents socioeconomic status from becoming an impediment to success.

[Enemy of the State]

Oh come on there are so many threads about communism on the front page of the political academy right now. Do we really need another one? You know how this will turn out...

[Jingles]

Oh come on there are so many threads about communism on the front page of the political academy right now. Do we really need another one? You know how this will turn out...

+1.

Also, Amagi, you're really not in a position to talk about holocausts.

ALSO, I'm really beginning to resent all the communists who go around saying "No, no, Communism's not like that at all! It's all Stalin's fault!" As a cheap way of disassociating themselves from the Soviet Union.

[Strelok]

ALSO, I'm really beginning to resent all the communists who go around saying "No, no, Communism's not like that at all! It's all Stalin's fault!" As a cheap way of disassociating themselves from the Soviet Union.

I wouldn't say "it's all Stalin's fault!" but I hate Stalin anyway. I guess I'm on your hate list Mr.Jingles.

[Enemy of the State]

OP, define communism. You ranted about how nobody has any idea what it is without actually bothering to explain what they believe and how it is wrong.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

OP, define communism. You ranted about how nobody has any idea what it is without actually bothering to explain what they believe and how it is wrong.

What do they believe? They believe Communism is some foul thing where a dictator rules over people completely and they're all his slaves, with their main objective being to branch out, steal your freedoms, and enslave you too.

Communism as I see it? The political ideology where the final product through separate means (some say Revolution, I say otherwise. Using Capitalism to ease the economy into a stable state so that the move to Communism does not shake the ground so hard everyone dies of starvation) is a classless society where everyone lives and works for the betterment of the community as a whole and not just for their own person gain. Instead of the mindset of "What to I gain out of this?", the mindset is "How can I help?". All in a nutshell at the least.

Of course as I've said however, this is hard to come to because of human nature. We cannot as a people just not go off and be greedy and power-hungry. So someone, more often a group of people, come in a muck it all up and turn it into a dictatorship.

Although again, this isn't as much a thread about how Communism is right or wrong, but about how ignorant people are about it. I don't care whether you disagree or agree with the concept of Communism, it's your freedom, but when you tell me I deserve to die because I'm Communist, we have a problem.

[Jingles]

^eh, you're a filthy syndicalist anyway You're exempted from the commie-bashing almost by default.

[Jingles]

Star-Trek Communism then?

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Star-Trek Communism then?

This is someone who has never watched Star Trek. I know I know, how can I?

[Enemy of the State]

but when you tell me I deserve to die because I'm Communist, we have a problem.

Well no I don't think you deserve to die. Am I really free to disagree with you however? Would you use force against me to achieve your collectivist utopia?

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Well no I don't think you deserve to die. Am I really free to disagree with you however? Would you use force against me to achieve your collectivist utopia?

No I would not. I would attempt to use diplomacy first, and if still you were not convinced, I would simple shake my head and say "oh well". Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech.

[Enemy of the State]

No I would not. I would attempt to use diplomacy first, and if still you were not convinced, I would simple shake my head and say "oh well". Freedom of Speech is Freedom of Speech.

So I could opt-out of your system? Associate freely with other people, for instance hiring someone to work for me in a factory?

[Jingles]

Well no I don't think you deserve to die. Am I really free to disagree with you however? Would you use force against me to achieve your collectivist utopia?

I might. Isaristh probably wouldn't. He's a Classical Marxist, I'm a bloodthirsty Leninist. It's how we roll.

Anyway, this whole thread's pretty pointless. I realised a fair while ago that alone on an internet forum I can't really compete with... *counts on fingers* ...70 years or more of anti-communism in the West. The head start is just too huge. It's much more fun to make sarky comments and play to my stereotype when I get the chance. The revolution isn't going to happen in my lifetime anyway.

[Hattushilish]

Anyway, this whole thread's pretty pointless. I realised a fair while ago that alone on an internet forum I can't really compete with... *counts on fingers* ...70 years or more of anti-communism in the West. The head start is just too huge. It's much more fun to make sarky comments and play to my stereotype when I get the chance. The revolution isn't going to happen in my lifetime anyway.

"I'm a pessimist because of intelligence, but an optimist because of will."
- Antonio Gramsci, letter from prison (19 December 1929)

[chilon]

The revolution isn't going to happen in my lifetime anyway.

The revolution is never going to happen literally.




In fact, I bet if Marx were alive today he would be reading Wired and disavowing all the self-proclaimed "communists".


" Just as Marx used to say, commenting on the French "Marxists" of the late [18]70s: "All I know is that I am not a Marxist."