Italian States

[Michael^]

Another "noobish" question, and I'm yet again lazy to search through the Hosted mods topic.

Is there any way to make Italian states playable, plus is there a mode about uniting them from any of those countries? We're quite aware that Italy was torn in pieces with smaller counties and countries, uniting only by 1846 or so, but aren't we supposed to re-write the history?

[Rebel4714]

Hey Michael!

Your best bet for that is gonna be Darthmod or DMUC! (Darthmod Ultimate Commander) In the custom campaign, you can play as almost any faction, and the Italian States are on there! Be warned, its tough to start as any country in Italy, due to binding alliances and lack of room to expand!!

[eXistenZ]

Yeah i find it pretty lame too italy isn't playable. As prussia you take on the quest to forge a german empire (even with the modern day flag), so why not with the italian states? a missed chance from CA

[Acez]

Italy historically was a compilation of seperate states (Milan, Venice, Naples being probably the most notable, but Savoy in the 18th century). These states were not connected to each other in any way except for maybe a common language. It wasn't until 1816 or so that these states were brought together to form a Kingdom of Italy. CA didn't miss anything. It's no different then not being able to play with the U.S. because it wasn't until 1776 that they became a "country"

[eXistenZ]

Italy historically was a compilation of seperate states (Milan, Venice, Naples being probably the most notable, but Savoy in the 18th century). These states were not connected to each other in any way except for maybe a common language. It wasn't until 1816 or so that these states were brought together to form a Kingdom of Italy. CA didn't miss anything. It's no different then not being able to play with the U.S. because it wasn't until 1776 that they became a "country"

yeah and when did Bismarck united germany? Just like the mughals continued after 1800

Ca isn't completly historical correct (which is good in my opinion, otherwise it would become boring), so they could have taken the liberty to this as well

[♔hammeredalways♔]

Hi Guys - you can indeed play the various Italian states in the DMUC http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=341088, and you will also be please to know that one of the sites top skinners is overhauling them at present http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=354710

these additions will be incoporated in the DMUC soon, either in full or as an optional sub-mod

If anyone has any questions please fell free to come and post on the Darth forums

[Michael^]

Italy historically was a compilation of seperate states (Milan, Venice, Naples being probably the most notable, but Savoy in the 18th century). These states were not connected to each other in any way except for maybe a common language. It wasn't until 1816 or so that these states were brought together to form a Kingdom of Italy. CA didn't miss anything. It's no different then not being able to play with the U.S. because it wasn't until 1776 that they became a "country"

Can beat it. <:

Hi Guys - you can indeed play the various Italian states in the DMUC http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=341088, and you will also be please to know that one of the sites top skinners is overhauling them at present http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=354710

these additions will be incoporated in the DMUC soon, either in full or as an optional sub-mod

If anyone has any questions please fell free to come and post on the Darth forums

I'll check it out, though everything's that's connected to programming (installing mods and stuff) is problematic for me. xD

[♔hammeredalways♔]

you will love the DMUC then, once downloaded it has a one click installer and extracts everything in the correct location for you, all choices are GUI menu and if you get stuck we will always help you

[Michael^]

Will I still be able to play ETW normal campaign tho?

[Darkpriest667]

Will I still be able to play ETW normal campaign tho?

yes

Italy historically was a compilation of seperate states (Milan, Venice, Naples being probably the most notable, but Savoy in the 18th century). These states were not connected to each other in any way except for maybe a common language. It wasn't until 1816 or so that these states were brought together to form a Kingdom of Italy. CA didn't miss anything. It's no different then not being able to play with the U.S. because it wasn't until 1776 that they became a "country"

WRONG... The US wasn't a nation in 1776 they declared independence in 1776 and up until the treaty of Paris in 1783 was actually a set of British colonies in rebellion.. And if you want to get really technical it did not become a democratic republic until 1789. From 1783 until 1789 it was a confederation and not a democratic republic.

[eXistenZ]

WRONG... The US wasn't a nation in 1776 they declared independence in 1776 and up until the treaty of Paris in 1783 was actually a set of British colonies in rebellion.. And if you want to get really technical it did not become a democratic republic until 1789. From 1783 until 1789 it was a confederation and not a democratic republic.

That's what i mean, good research

CA take some liberty to provide a balanced gameplay. So therefore i find a bit of a letdown you can't play as an italian unifying faction, just like you do with prussia

[Acez]

WRONG... The US wasn't a nation in 1776 they declared independence in 1776 and up until the treaty of Paris in 1783 was actually a set of British colonies in rebellion.. And if you want to get really technical it did not become a democratic republic until 1789. From 1783 until 1789 it was a confederation and not a democratic republic.

hence why i wrote country in paranthesis but they aren't playable in the game because it starts at 1700 not 1776, or whatever date you want to assign to them.

[Michael^]

Italy = <33333

[Tango12345]

Well, the British recognised the US as a country in 1783, when the DMUC late campaign/RTI final episode starts. Up to then they were merely "rebellious subjects of the crown." There is a mod which allows them to be playable in 1700, but obviously it is not historical.

As for the Italians, well, CA got it mostly right-except they deleted Tuscany. And the main difference between them and Prussia as far as unification is concerned-well-Prussia was a major european power in the 18th century, and could have united Germany then, after all, it had the manpower. The Italians? Nope, they didn't have the manpower or the resources required for one state to unite them all in the 18th century. Of course, they did later on-thanks to Garibaldi.

[Michael^]

As for the Italians, well, CA got it mostly right-except they deleted Tuscany. And the main difference between them and Prussia as far as unification is concerned-well-Prussia was a major european power in the 18th century, and could have united Germany then, after all, it had the manpower. The Italians? Nope, they didn't have the manpower or the resources required for one state to unite them all in the 18th century. Of course, they did later on-thanks to Garibaldi.

That can be argued. Unification of Italy didn't come easy. In both cases with Prussia and Italy, one of the main enemies is Austria and I personally believe unification of Italy happened in 19th century only due to lack of such a person capable of uniting it earlier, who /managed/ to do that.

[Tango12345]

Any kind of history can be argued. I never said it came easily. I take your point about the man needed though-in the 18th century-the Prussians had Frederick the Great, but the Italians didn't have anybody. Resources do come into it though-the main Italian states were all more or less the same size, and had roughly the same power, whereas Prussia was a lot bigger than most German states after it had united its lands together.

[♔hammeredalways♔]

step forward Julius Michael^, all hail the new caesar

[Michael^]

Any kind of history can be argued. I never said it came easily. I take your point about the man needed though-in the 18th century-the Prussians had Frederick the Great, but the Italians didn't have anybody. Resources do come into it though-the main Italian states were all more or less the same size, and had roughly the same power, whereas Prussia was a lot bigger than most German states after it had united its lands together.

I'd not say so. The northern Italy was split into small areas (Yeah, Genoa was economically powerful. Yes, Venice was worth a competition), where as southern / central italiy (Papal / Italian states and "Naples and Sicily" were more powerful and organized. I don't see what could stop Italy from unification back then.

And I just love that country.

[Tango12345]

I meant a historical one Hammered...lol

[Tango12345]

I don't see what could stop Italy from unification back then.

Austria, Spain, and to a lesser extent France, and in Italy it really wasn't one state far more powerful than the rest, as was the case in Germany-yes, the southern states were powerful, as was Venice, but they still weren't major military players. You could compare them with the classical city-states of ancient Greece-there wasn't one of them that was so much stronger than any of the others. If you think about it, the leaders of the main Italian states each had a similar amount of power and influence, and as such they weren't going to bend the knee to each other easily.
What I've noticed is that you need a single, very powerful nation to unite a country like Italy-eg the Macedonians for Ancient Greece, and the Prussians for Germany. You look at Italy, and the first powerful nation that unites it (after the Romans that is)is France, in the late 18th century. There simply wasn't an Italian state that was big enough to unite them all.

Of course, everyone can have their own opinion, I've just written mine up.