Chariot Archers vs Horse Archers

[roam]

Purely in mp sense i was wondering what peoples opinions were between these 2 units.
I think we should take into account factions they can be used by to add an extra element to this.
I am talking normal ha not persians etc. And using cwb rules.

Chariot archers have the advantage of more hit points than horse archers, but are more vulnerable to missiles i would assue because they are a bigger target.
Additionally, i'd say that chariot archers are harder to control, but i'm fairly certain they have a better missile attack(brit char archers have 10, compared to ha at 7). However, i could be wrong, but char archers are probably slower than ha, making them more vulnerable to counters such as lancers and arabs--meaning it may be nesecary to use valuable cav spaces to protect them.
They are vulnerable to baleraric slingers and i'd guess more vulnerable when stationary to missies.

Horse Archers have less hitpoints and with the exception of scythians have the same armor as char archers, although are more likely to have armor upgardes and i suspect are cheaper than char archers.
Also they are smaller targets and far less vulnerable to those balearic slingers.
However there versatility i feel is less so. With ha yuo got a fast cav unit of mounter archers they fire arrows but there they don't fair well in melee, neither do cahr archers for that matter but i would expect them to fare better in melee than ha.

Conclusively, ha are fielded by armenia, parthia and scythia and it think thats it.
Char archers are fielded by egy, brits and pontus.

Discuss

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Egypt got camel archers also and Dacia got Scythian Mercenaries. Chariots are faster than cavalry and can do more damage than horse archers, but I think horse archers are more useful as they can't be as easily countered with slingers and it's better anyway for missile cavalry to run away than to stay and fight.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

are chariots faster than cav? I've caught big fat slow chariot archers many times with even heavy cav like companions or praetorians

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

are chariots faster than cav? I've caught big fat slow chariot archers many times with even heavy cav like companions or praetorians

They get tired fast from circling

[|Sith| Max]

Egypt got camel archers also and Dacia got Scythian Mercenaries. Chariots are faster than cavalry and can do more damage than horse archers, but I think horse archers are more useful as they can't be as easily countered with slingers and it's better anyway for missile cavalry to run away than to stay and fight.

No sane player uses slow ass camels as skirmishers. Also cav and chaz are of equal speed... It depends on the fatigue level.

are chariots faster than cav? I've caught big fat slow chariot archers many times with even heavy cav like companions or praetorians

Equally fast.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

No sane player uses slow ass camels as skirmishers. Also cav and chaz are of equal speed... It depends on the fatigue level.

I was comparing with his heavy cavalry

[Plant]

British and Egyptian chariot archers have the fast moving characteristic. Pontus chariot archers does not. Never caught any chariot archers with heavy cav though. Anybody done testing or knows from experience?

[Delta21]

British and Egyptian chariot archers have the fast moving characteristic. Pontus chariot archers does not. Never caught any chariot archers with heavy cav though. Anybody done testing or knows from experience?

I never noticed the difference...they seemed just as fast. Although i have never seen pontic chariot archers catching up with my horse archers/skirmishers...I'll try to test it out though.

[Rainbow Dash]

British and Egyptian chariot archers have the fast moving characteristic. Pontus chariot archers does not. Never caught any chariot archers with heavy cav though. Anybody done testing or knows from experience?

I did this once when I had to run down ONE chariot with a unit of companions. I had to do this because there was a general in there. But wait, are egyptian generals heavy or light? Anyways, I did have to chase it for like 5 minutes before I finally inched my cav close enough to kill it.

[roam]

British and Egyptian chariot archers have the fast moving characteristic. Pontus chariot archers does not. Never caught any chariot archers with heavy cav though. Anybody done testing or knows from experience?

i routed 2 char archers using cataphracts to catch them, didn't even have to go very far and they were in cata box lol.

I think it was example of D

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

ah, well i've never bothered catching chariot archers / horse archers my running after them in 1 direction. The I have my opponents put their CA/HA too far ahead without any support, so i use a combination of heavy cav and light cav to pincer them.

but yea, chariots if they're not fatigued can still move pretty fast

[|Sith| Max]

usually when you are catching HA with hvy cav its because your opponent A, Didnt realize they were still in cantabrian when the enemy cav came. B, he was busy typing. C, he didn't give a as he was going to win either way. D, he lacked the skill to save em...

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

I'd go with A and D , but A and D arent mutually exclusive events.

[|Sith| Max]

i remember that one of my units once got killed while telling the enemy commanders to work togheter so we would have a challenging 3v3 game instead of picking off the 2 remaining armies one by one. sadly for them it rallied with 17 men and full ammo.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

Probably because the chariots got tired. I think they lose stamina faster than other heavy cav

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Probably because the chariots got tired. I think they lose stamina faster than other heavy cav

Stamina loss depends on a units weight class, their hardiness and how much armor they got so what you are saying is illogical. The reason they are more tired than your cavalry is becuase they while your cavalry has been sitting around on their asses most of the battles, the chariot archers have been busy running around in circles for several minutes (that would make anyone tired...)

Now on cantabrian circle, it's probably the biggest rape on realism in the entire game. I guess if the French knights had been slowly circling towards the English at the Battle Crecy they would safely have reached the Longbowmen and done away with them. Or maybe a wizard did it?

[Hakomar]

I remember reading here ages ago to catch exhausted chariot archers with peasants, which I have never tried. It was one of the more experienced players, but I forget who.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

I remember reading here ages ago to catch exhausted chariot archers with peasants, which I have never tried. It was one of the more experienced players, but I forget who.

It's very true, tho by the time they are exhausted they have fired most of their arrow already...

[Zekey]

I remember reading here ages ago to catch exhausted chariot archers with peasants, which I have never tried. It was one of the more experienced players, but I forget who.

Ye, can even work vs tired ones.

[Titus Maximius Thongus]

imagine that. being on your chariot moving at a snail's pace with a giant mob of angry peasants running after you.