Russian-Turkish Relations

[Armenum]

So the developing relations between Russia and Turkey are interesting nonetheless. Recently the russian president, Medvedev, visited Turkey and signed several economic agreements including nuclear cooperation and gas supply routes. One has to see how Turkey over the past few years has improved its relations with Russia & Iran greatly, while relations with the West and Israel (esp US) have steadily cooled. Russia and Turkey are poised to be key strategic partners in many sectors especially economy. And as Turkey and Russia maintain good relations with Iran, might we see a regional alliance (Turkey-Russia-Iran) developing? How far is Turkey willing to go with Russia? Will it go far enough at the expense of its relations with the West?

This development is also interesting for Russia's strategic partner in the region Armenia. Will Russia be willing to sell/betray its historic strategic partner for Turkey? It seems to be going this way slowly. And in that case would Armenia try to forge even closer ties with the West to counter the Russian-Turkish partnership?

Here is an interesting paper written about the Russian-Turkish relations:

http://www.jamestown.org/uploads/med...rkeyRussia.pdf

[garudamon11]

i think it will go just like austria-hungary and russia

[dogukan]

Turkey with the AKP on the lead has been going through great diplomatic relations with her neighnours compared to earlier days. Things have gotten much more peacefull both inside and outside.
The reaction to Israel, I belive is pretty normal as well. It has nothing to do with having "Islamic tendencies"...but even then, TUrkey's relations with Israel are still on the positive.

[garudamon11]

an alliance between russia and turkey can not last , if armenia and azerbaijan went to war turkey and russia will have to decide between their old ally and their new ally

[dogukan]

who talked about an "alliance"...Turkey is simple being as neutral as possible.

[Koelkastmagneet]

who talked about an "alliance"...Turkey is simple being as neutral as possible.

I don't particularly see that, certainly not when looking at their relations with Armenia and Azerbaijan.

[garudamon11]

sorry , i thought i red alliance somewhere in this thread

but still they'd cut their diplomatic relations if a war started

[Gromovnik]

sorry , i thought i red alliance somewhere in this thread

but still they'd cut their diplomatic relations if a war started

why should they do that?

[garudamon11]

russia is allied with armenia, and azerbaijan is allied with turkey
so i cant see how turkey can actually ally herself with russia
like i said its like austria-hungary and russia , they were allied but when austria attacked serbia who was russia's ally russia declared war on austria

[Gromovnik]

russia is allied with armenia, and azerbaijan is allied with turkey
so i cant see how turkey can actually ally herself with russia
like i said its like austria-hungary and russia , they were allied but when austria attacked serbia who was russia's ally russia declared war on austria

here's a pro tip: Russia and Turkey won't go to war over some caucasian holes.

[Exarch]

if the EU had played their cards right, turkey would be in their camp for a good long time; now turkey's getting stronger and the EU is getting into more dire straits

[Armenum]

Turkey and Russia won't be military allies any time soon. However, they have begun to become strong economic partners. In the long run, Turkey is much more of value to Russia than landlocked, resourceless Armenia. And Armenia has to understand this and not become to dependent on Russia (though difficult given the blockades).

[white-wolf]

Turkish and Russian relations have many aspects. A tiny and poor country at Caucasia is very minor part of them. My humble advice to look at an broader angle.

EU countries have been keeping Turkiye in front of door, and it is cleary understand by Turks that they are not wanted at Europa, at least not as equals. US is very far away and loosing Turkiye. Russia is becaming a big partner of economy of Turkiye. I wellcome this turn of events. Why to insist to enter a home which you are not wanted?

[General David]

I think that in the long term, Turkey and Russia will always be opponents and this isn't only because of the situation between their Azerbaijani allies and Armenian foes. Turkey naturally has to contend with Russian influence in all of the Turkic (formerly Soviet) countries of Central Asia. Turks will not forget about their origins overnight, just for some economic benefits with Russia...

[Armenum]

I think that in the long term, Turkey and Russia will always be opponents and this isn't only because of the situation between their Azerbaijani allies and Armenian foes. Turkey naturally has to contend with Russian influence in all of the Turkic (formerly Soviet) countries of Central Asia. Turks will not forget about their origins overnight, just for some economic benefits with Russia...

I'm afraid Russia would be more than willing to sell Armenia for economic benefits especially including gas and oil benefits. As Turkey warms up with Eastern countries this gets worse for Armenia as it has to start choosing sides (West or Russia). Tricky, tricky.

[General David]

Lord Mov are you Armenian?

[Armenum]

Lord Mov are you Armenian?

yes. Hayastanci

[hellheaven1987]

Turkey and Russia?? Their future relation would somehow similar as Russia and Europe - an economical partner, but politically neutral to others.

Turkey would probably become EU's dog soon, anyway, so it is not surprised Turkey and Russia would follow same relation as Europe and Russia.

[PointOfViewGun]

Turkey would probably become EU's dog soon, anyway, so it is not surprised Turkey and Russia would follow same relation as Europe and Russia.

Turkey EUs dog? Care to elaborate?

[Armenum]

Turkey and Russia?? Their future relation would somehow similar as Russia and Europe - an economical partner, but politically neutral to others.

Turkey would probably become EU's dog soon, anyway, so it is not surprised Turkey and Russia would follow same relation as Europe and Russia.

I think Turkey has considerably shifted its foreign policy over the years to be more comprehensive. They maintain good relations with West, Nato but also have good relations with Russia, Iran. EU looks down on Turkey and I guess Turkey is just expanding its options with Russia, as relations with Russia have a lot of potential.