A call to arms.

[Joshua the Bear]

Quite simply, I rather dislike it. After a long and bloody struggle on sicily (with one city revolting, every army from every remaining faction completely crippled, and the island's total population probably reduced by half due to famine) I finally managed to lay siege to Syracause.

Suddenly, the city makes it's 'call to arms'. I understand that there is a garisson script in XC, but I think it is rather overpowered. You see, Syrycause is filled with a full stack of "Silver Ranked" Hoplites and Theureophoroi, forcing me in a retreat. Personally, I think this is a bit to much. Instead of striking a good blow, I just gave one my enemies the most elite army on the map...



There is another group of Syracausan hoplites + the depleted army on top.

I do like the idea of the garrison script, but I would personally prefer that the added units are levy units, instead of hardened veterans.

I use the latest Gamma 2 version.

[Stilgar CG]

Joshua the Bear, the game is balanced to make it almost impossible to gain a quick advantage in Sicily (unrest penalties due to cultural differences are severe, so you cannot profit from capturing Greek or Roman settlements straight ahead). In fact, building up your economy (trade in particularly) and then use the solid economic base to counter and ultimately eliminate Rome (or whatever foe) is a sound and historically reasonable approach. (As for garrison script generating elite stacks, you have the point there.)

I am also in first 10 turns of my Punic campaign. My approach is to secure Northern Africa first and build up my economy (no straight-ahead military actions in Iberia or Sicily). Northern Africa is about to be secured, all is quiet in Iberia. As for situation in Sicily, would you have a little patience you'd soon notice that Roman rebels and indi- Greeks begin fighting and wearing each other down. Romans intervene soon as well. Things turn messy and good opportunities to gain upper hand on Sicily emerge soon enough.

[Joshua the Bear]

There goes the tankrush tactic xD

(unrest penalties due to cultural differences are severe, so you cannot profit from capturing Greek or Roman settlements straight ahead).

I noticed! xD. But now the romans can conquer messana with ease... Sigh... Oh well.

By the way, I am really enjoying the mod. I love it's 'Lightness.' Europa Barbarorum, which my brother ('Ruben the Cruel', as he calls himself. Names can be interesting. In dutch, I call myself 'Joshua de Grote', which means 'Joshua the Great'. But just like Charlemagne (who is called 'Karel de Grote' here), it refers to size instead of awesomeness xD)) completely adores was overwhelming. Although that was in a good way, I got lost. XC is better. Plus I really like the concept of applying 'Marian Reforms' to all factions (I am eagerly awaiting...)

[TM Is Back]

Joshua the Bear, the game is balanced to make it almost impossible to gain a quick advantage in Sicily (unrest penalties due to cultural differences are severe, so you cannot profit from capturing Greek or Roman settlements straight ahead). In fact, building up your economy (trade in particularly) and then use the solid economic base to counter and ultimately eliminate Rome (or whatever foe) is a sound and historically reasonable approach. (As for garrison script generating elite stacks, you have the point there.)

I am also in first 10 turns of my Punic campaign. My approach is to secure Northern Africa first and build up my economy (no straight-ahead military actions in Iberia or Sicily). Northern Africa is about to be secured, all is quiet in Iberia. As for situation in Sicily, would you have a little patience you'd soon notice that Roman rebels and indi- Greeks begin fighting and wearing each other down. Romans intervene soon as well. Things turn messy and good opportunities to gain upper hand on Sicily emerge soon enough.

All quiet on the western front? That's bad news. Don't trust those Iberians. Ze steken je zo in de rug

There goes the tankrush tactic xD



I noticed! xD. But now the romans can conquer messana with ease... Sigh... Oh well.

By the way, I am really enjoying the mod. I love it's 'Lightness.' Europa Barbarorum, which my brother ('Ruben the Cruel', as he calls himself. Names can be interesting. In dutch, I call myself 'Joshua de Grote', which means 'Joshua the Great'. But just like Charlemagne (who is called 'Karel de Grote' here), it refers to size instead of awesomeness xD)) completely adores was overwhelming. Although that was in a good way, I got lost. XC is better. Plus I really like the concept of applying 'Marian Reforms' to all factions (I am eagerly awaiting...)

Als hij werkelijk zo'n gemene is moet hij toch echt een XC proberen Niemand die Ruben heet, insgelijks aan mij zijnde, hoort EB te spelen maar XC Je weet zelf wel dat XC gewoon veel beter is En vergeet niet dat de reforms enkel gebeuren wanneer de Romeinen een Italiaanse stad tot huge city maken, Rome uitgezonderd

Goede dag nog

[Zarax]

All quiet on the western front? That's bad news. Don't trust those Iberians. Ze steken je zo in de rug

Als hij werkelijk zo'n gemene is moet hij toch echt een XC proberen Niemand die Ruben heet, insgelijks aan mij zijnde, hoort EB te spelen maar XC Je weet zelf wel dat XC gewoon veel beter is En vergeet niet dat de reforms enkel gebeuren wanneer de Romeinen een Italiaanse stad tot huge city maken, Rome uitgezonderd

Goede dag nog

Google translator picked half of that lol, hope that piece was right

[TM Is Back]

Google translator picked half of that lol, hope that piece was right

xD

Google translator:

ALL QUIET ON THE WESTERN FRONT? That's bad news. Do not Trust Those Iberian. She stabbing you in the back so

If he really so ordinary he really was an attempt XC Nobody called Reuben, likewise to me being, belongs to EB games but you know yourself that XC XC simply much better And do not forget that only happen when the reforming the Romans an Italian city to make huge city, except Rome

Good day

My own translation:

All quiet on the western front? That's bad news. Don't trust those Iberians. They'll stab you in the back at any moment.

If he really is such a cruel person then he should really try XC. Nobody who's called Ruben, like me, should be playing EB but instead XC. You know from experience that XC is way better. And don't forget that the reforms only occur when the Romans make an Italian city to huge city, Rome excluded.

Have a nice day

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Well.... I'd say Google translator sucks xD

[Zarax]

Glad you like it.
BTW, a quick way to avoid the extra powerful garrisons (which were actually toned down from XGM) just don't click on the advisor and they won't pop up...

[DarthLazy]

I catually conquered sicily in just 2 turns.... Trick was to send a spy in to syracuse. I took messana with only 90~Casualties and then moved to the big army at syrcuse and completely oblirated both armies...(by chance they had an army JUST outside the city)

After that i fed money to the romans for an alliance; layed waste to north africa; all the while building up a military force in spain.

[Zarax]

Well, a direct comparison with EB isn't exactly proper as the two mods have quite different aims.
EB is more accuracy oriented while we try to mainly recreate the "feeling" of how certain factions were through gameplay.

Both mods offers great gameplay in different ways, it's a matter of taste rather than trying to declare the "better" mod.

[TM Is Back]

Well, a direct comparison with EB isn't exactly proper as the two mods have quite different aims.
EB is more accuracy oriented while we try to mainly recreate the "feeling" of how certain factions were through gameplay.

Both mods offers great gameplay in different ways, it's a matter of taste rather than trying to declare the "better" mod.

Of course. If you like a historical correct I'd suggest to anybody to choose EB over XC. However, when we mix all things, being accuracy, game play, overall speed of the mod etc., I'd suggest XC. But it's a matter of taste. You should read my post from that point of view.

If some one person should read it, I meant nothing by it and I hereby apologize for any misunderstandings that might occur.

[Stilgar CG]

@ TM. I am aware of the fact that Iberia is a potentially nasty and treacherous foe. I am keeping an eye on them and will reinforce the region as soon as all of the North Africa is conquered.

[DarthLazy]

So if we wipe the romans off the map b4 reforms....... will they still happen under another faction?...eg Carthage?

[TM Is Back]

No. Only the Romans or Roman Rebels can let them occur.

[Zarax]

I do have some plans for that but nothing will come for a looong time...

[DarthLazy]

As in i should let the romans live until capua becomes huge?????.......I cant see how i could do that playing as carthage.

[Zarax]

You don't need to as Carthage, you will miss just a few units and have to face a much more powerful enemy instead.

[Stilgar CG]

You don't need to as Carthage, you will miss just a few units and have to face a much more powerful enemy instead.

lol. Tip of the day!

[TM Is Back]

Grrr....

[DarthLazy]

Hmmmmm... Lets feed money to the romans and make their pop explode (after ive exterminated italy of course)

[Kara Kolyo]

Or you can add_population to one of the roman cities, they should build the palace with priority?