David Horowitz gets a Muslim student to express exactly how she feels about Jews

[SigniferOne]

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What she says in the end is utterly horrifying.


Some people like to pretend that genocidal behavior among Muslims is an extremely rare, isolated behavior. And my response is that this view has absolutely no facts behind it. It presupposes a certain lackadaisical, morally relativistic attitude which refuses to believe that any people could be any worse than any other people.

And that is not a rational, honest attitude. What we need to do is examine all examples and cases of human behavior impartially. If there are more cases of hateful Muslim behavior, we must take cognizance of that fact.

[mongrel]

One could get a BNP or KKK video out and suggest that all whites are racists and want to murder black people and deny the holocaust. But that would be retarded. Mr Horowitz is an ex-commie neoconservative Zionist, the sort of person who encouraged the illegal and pointless war in Iraq. So much for the Disciple of War.

What on Earth is a terrorist neckerchief by the way? Is Hamas a genocidal organisation? I thought they were bog standard terrorists. And why won't Horowitz answer a straight question?

[SigniferOne]

One could get a BNP or KKK video out and suggest that all whites are racists and want to murder black people and deny the holocaust.

BNP may be racist but they want to murder black people, can be more mind-blowing in your description?

As for KKK they are evil but constitute pretty much 0.1% of "white people". A humongous proportion of Muslims believe like she does, not every Muslim but many of them. See the example in the video: 50 Muslim students (perhaps the entire MSA club on campus) refused to condemn Hezbollah.

But that would be retarded. Mr Horowitz is an ex-commie neoconservative Zionist, the sort of person who encouraged the illegal and pointless war in Iraq. So much for the Disciple of War.

So that means he's wrong here? Great ad hominem, look up what those are in the dictionary of logical fallacies.

What on Earth is a terrorist neckerchief by the way? Is Hamas a genocidal organisation? I thought they were bog standard terrorists. And why won't Horowitz answer a straight question?

Does exterminating all Jews everywhere count as a genocidal organization?

Except he always seem to make the units for Islamic factions equipped only with rocks and loin cloths.

What are you talking about?

Now I have to defend my "street cred" with you? I need to cite the many dozens of threads where I'd put down the barbarian European middle ages, in comparison to whom the Muslims were at the golden peak of enlightened thought? I need to roll out all my credential every time a post critical of Muslims gets made? You serious?

[magickyleo101]

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See the example in the video: 50 Muslim students (perhaps the entire MSA club on campus) refused to condemn Hezbollah.

Refusing to condemn Hezbollah doesn't mean you want to round up all the Jews in one place and exterminate them. It might just mean that Hezbollah does some good things and some bad things.

It's the same way with Israel. Israel in many ways maintains an apartheid state and commits war crimes, but that doesn't mean you should "condemn" the whole country.

Does exterminating all Jews everywhere count as a genocidal organization?

How was the scarf connected to "exterminating all Jews everywhere"?

[Gromovnik]

Refusing to condemn Hezbollah doesn't mean you want to round up all the Jews in one place and exterminate them.

did you watch the entire video?

[Squiggle]

Refusing to condemn Hezbollah doesn't mean you want to round up all the Jews in one place and exterminate them. It might just mean that Hezbollah does some good things and some bad things.

Did you watch to the end of the video? He gave her a specific quote advocating wiping out Jews on a global scale, asked her if she condemned it, and she answered no.

[magickyleo101]

Did you watch to the end of the video? He gave her a specific quote advocating wiping out Jews on a global scale, asked her if she condemned it, and she answered no.

Which means that individual girl is a bigot. I agree. That doesn't mean that Islam generally is bad or that Hezbollah should be associated with the quote.

By way of analogy, the once-President of Israel is probably a rapist. The statement by the leader of Hezbollah shouldn't reflect any more on Hezbollah than the rape does on Israel.

[SigniferOne]

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Additionally, people like the KKK are shunned, ignored, kicked out of all communities or college campuses. Evil people like this woman are aided and abetted by only slightly less malicious people like you, who make excuses for them and help perpetuation of their evil thinking.

For what is needed is not your touchy-feely moral relativism, but firm and irresistible suppression of people like her, just we did with the KKK. What is needed is an implacable well-known public campaign that people like that will not be tolerated, are not welcome, and will be thrown out or imprisoned immediately upon showing face.

Now do you think you're capable of such a campaign? That's what makes you not as bad as that girl, but nearly so.

[Axeman]

Am I the only one who found it distrubing they have a Hitler Youth program?

[SigniferOne]

Am I the only one who found it distrubing they have a Hitler Youth program?

No, you're a racist. I hate your inconvenient facts, and the sooner you can keep them away from me the sooner I can stick my head in the sand and be perfectly happy with not offending anyone.

A fine point. This combined with your earlier assertion that this "jihadist" community is significant and should not be ignored are points that are very strong and cogent.

Now stop pulling numbers out of nowhere and abandoning a perfectly solid argument in place of one that's riddled with holes and fallacies.

I was asked to provide what I thought was the proportion of Muslims which have been infilitrated by the jihadist approach to Islam. I genuinely think it is very large, but that's just my personal view, it has no bearing on the matter at hand. You may have a different estimation, one that's much lower, and that's perfectly fine. Whatever our estimates are, we must agree on how we treat them: and that is, with moral clarity, and fierce, unequivocal condemnation.

[Mithie]

I was asked to provide what I thought was the proportion of Muslims which have been infilitrated by the jihadist approach to Islam. I genuinely think it is very large, but that's just my personal view, it has no bearing on the matter at hand. You may have a different estimation, one that's much lower, and that's perfectly fine. Whatever our estimates are, we must agree on how we treat them: and that is, with moral clarity, and fierce, unequivocal condemnation.

But see, here's the problem. What you provided? That video? That's not proof. At all. The opinions of one woman is not significant. It demonstrates absolutely nothing. It's not measurable, it's not quantifiable, and it does absolutely nothing for your argument that Islamic radicalism is significant and should not be ignored.

A better proof for that assertion would be the myriad of terrorist attacks by Islamic radical groups which resulted in catastrophic damages to both people and property. That's a MUCH more powerful set of evidence which definitively proves your assertion that Islamic radicalism is both significant and needs to be addressed.

It's very easy to ignore the opinions of one woman who may or may not have been baited/bribed. But it's not so easy to ignore the catastrophic events of these attacks.

In short, you're undermining your own position by providing these as evidence. And people are right to call you out on it.

And 30-40%? Keep that to yourself next time, unless you feel like sabotaging your own position.

[YuriVII]

Additionally, people like the KKK are shunned, ignored, kicked out of all communities or college campuses. Evil people like this woman are aided and abetted by only slightly less malicious people like you, who make excuses for them and help perpetuation of their evil thinking.

US does not imprison KKK for being KKK. They are a legal organization. They imprision neo-nazis, kkk, etc for doing crimes individually.

For what is needed is not your touchy-feely moral relativism, but firm and irresistible suppression of people like her, just we did with the KKK. What is needed is an implacable well-known public campaign that people like that will not be tolerated, are not welcome, and will be thrown out or imprisoned immediately upon showing face.

This is such a clear textbook fascist statement.

As for Horowitz, he did nothing smart or remarkable. He demanded that the girl say something before he would even address her points. So he just slithered out of an exchange of ideas with her like the evil little snake he is.

[The Dude]

Additionally, people like the KKK are shunned, ignored, kicked out of all communities or college campuses. Evil people like this woman are aided and abetted by only slightly less malicious people like you, who make excuses for them and help perpetuation of their evil thinking.

For what is needed is not your touchy-feely moral relativism, but firm and irresistible suppression of people like her, just we did with the KKK. What is needed is an implacable well-known public campaign that people like that will not be tolerated, are not welcome, and will be thrown out or imprisoned immediately upon showing face.

Now do you think you're capable of such a campaign? That's what makes you not as bad as that girl, but nearly so.

This. 100% quoted for truth. Didn't think I would ever quote SigniferOne this way, but couldn't have put it better myself.

[Gaidin]

This. 100% quoted for truth. Didn't think I would ever quote SigniferOne this way, but couldn't have put it better myself.

Except he's wrong. Nothing is done to the KKK, ever, until they actually commit a crime.

[SigniferOne]

Except he's wrong. Nothing is done to the KKK, ever, until they actually commit a crime.

Except I'm not. They are picketed, shunned, kicked out of college charters on campuses, and forced to recede under the rocks from whence they come from. Jihadist Muslims are not.

The moral people in this thread even make all sorts of excuses for them.

Cool its a "lets find a video of a muslim hating on jews" day!

I wonder how many sessions it took for this person to find a muslim to do this so he can put up a video that shows that all muslims hate jews.

Wow then I suppose that the Muslim-haters are working overtime, because videos and news stories of Muslims being hateful are more numerous than any other groups.

[Simon Cashmere]

What on Earth is a terrorist neckerchief by the way? Is Hamas a genocidal organisation? I thought they were bog standard terrorists. And why won't Horowitz answer a straight question?

Your efforts to dissemble for HAMAS are interesting. I will just put it down to you being unaware of who they are, rather than deliberate deception. Read their charter, see what they stand for. If I quoted many of their own statements, you would say 'Just because one, two, three, fifty or 100 Hamas Ministers, leaders, gunmen, politicians say xx, doesn't mean that they *ALL* believe it!' or, you'd say 'bad translation, out of context, their microphone was off...' so here is the Hamas Charter.

http://www.mideastweb.org/hamas.htm

The preamble to the Hamas Charter quotes Hasan Al Bana calling for the destruction of Israel:

Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).

Yes, it invokes killing Jews and the Koranic verse which talks about the Day of Judgment not coming until all the Jews are killed. Reasonably genocidal statement.

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Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said:

"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslims fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslims, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslim).

Muslims must rule over all others, at least in the Middle East:

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It is the duty of the followers of other religions to stop disputing the sovereignty of Islam in this region, because the day these followers should take over there will be nothing but carnage, displacement and terror. Everyone of them is at variance with his fellow-religionists, not to speak about followers of other religionists. Past and present history are full of examples to prove this fact.

It sees the Islamic movement and jihad as worldwide:

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Article Seven:

As a result of the fact that those Muslims who adhere to the ways of the Islamic Resistance Movement spread all over the world, rally support for it and its stands, strive towards enhancing its struggle, the Movement is a universal one. It is well-equipped for that because of the clarity of its ideology, the nobility of its aim and the loftiness of its objectives.

It considers itself openly as a division of the Muslim Brotherhood:

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Article Two:

The Islamic Resistance Movement is one of the wings of Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine. Muslim Brotherhood Movement is a universal organization which constitutes the largest Islamic movement in modern times. It is characterised by its deep understanding, accurate comprehension and its complete embrace of all Islamic concepts of all aspects of life, culture, creed, politics, economics, education, society, justice and judgement, the spreading of Islam, education, art, information, science of the occult and conversion to Islam.

All of this seems to me to mean that HAMAS is an open wing of the Muslim Brotherhood, committed to the destruction of Jews as a goal, believes stupidly that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a real document instead of a pathetic forgery, and would like to see Israel obliterated. That's reasonably genocidal, and makes them far more than just 'bog standard terrorists'.

One could get a BNP or KKK video out and suggest that all whites are racists and want to murder black people and deny the holocaust. But that would be retarded. Mr Horowitz is an ex-commie neoconservative Zionist, the sort of person who encouraged the illegal and pointless war in Iraq. So much for the Disciple of War.

Except that with Islam and hatred of Jews or support for neonazi type views or holocaust denial, the examples are far, far more prevalent - as much as you try to whitewash desperately to say that the BNP or KKK are somehow as numerous, well funded, prevalent and active as 'mainstream' views about holocaust denial and vile anti-semitism within the Islamic world.

She said in the vid, that the Muslim Students Association, was hosting the annual 'Hitler Youth Week'. That is such gold, I would almost like to get over to Canada and video what goes on there. We'll see if we cant on the anti-jihad blogosphere get someone a long to video that. So it's not just 'her' that seems to hold these views, but that the Muslim Students Association is holding an event to celebrate Hitler Youth? [Note, I find out, that Horowitz had referred to their Israel Apartheid Week as Hitler Youth Week, and she was being sarcastic -they used to have holocaust denial people turn up there, which is why Horowitz called it Hitler Youth Week, among other reasons.]

What surprises me even more, is that I realised, that this was at UCSD, University of California San Diego! I thought initially it would have been another crazy Canadian muslim students organisation, but its not. The MSA is a Muslim Brotherhood front. There is in fact a hotbed of radicalism in San Diego, two of the 9/11 hijackers went to mosque there and started up for their operation.

[Note: now that is one woman I would support wearing the burka. In'sh'allah!']

[HansDuet]

Pretty stupid thing to say, lady.

[Lonck]

why should she be against an organization that is trying to bring Palestine and Palestinians together? The Jews have driven the Palestinians on the corners so its only fair for Palestinians to do the same (i.e. support an organization that wants to do to Jews what they have done and continue to do to the Palestinians). He didn't answer the question btw. Also since when is the scarf a terrorist symbol? And also we have established time and time again that Islam is NOT the religion of peace. Like all monotheistic (or at least abrahamic religions) they are all intolerant and are fine with killing heathens and heretics.

[Ozzmosis]

That girl got parred.

[magickyleo101]

I'm not sure what the point of the OP is. That one girl at a speech was a bigot? Or is the OP trying to imply some broader message about Muslims or people who are ambivalent about Hezbola?

If it's the former, this thread is pretty pointless. If it's the later, the thread is poorly reasoned and objectionable for lumping together large groups on the basis of one girl's behavior.