Aragon, Castille or Portugal?
Decanus
Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Aragon, Castille or Portugal?
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Centenarius
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Originally Posted by Mega Tortas de Bodemloze
true here, but lets not forget the HUUUUUUUUGE upkeep required, not to mention the VERY high risk of more than 1 front wars, so unless you get economy going on, forget about it, maybe half a stack with luck, but even then....
Senator
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Aragon. They got archers, AP units, good cristian order soldiers, better to exapand any direction.
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Decanus
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
I forgot what AP stands for, armor piercing? I think ive settled on Portugal for now. Ive Always wanted to try out their aventuros.
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Portugal, Aventuros and Portuguese arqebrusiers are awesome. only thing i don't like about them is the slow start, but once you get Cordoba it should be piece of cake
Miles
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
IMO Aragon, better Javelinmen which are a crucial part of my playing style, especially being the almighty almughavars, their generals look cool too, with that bit of armor on the horse and leather satchel whatever over the shoulder. Their navy doesn't get all that great but my games never last that long anyway. But I love whippin on the Italians and the French, much easier access and the pope always excommunicates most of those guys.
Praeses
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Portugal. Position and units are fun. Almughavars almost make me pick Aragon but it's just one unit that is cool though they are some of the most deadly infantry around so early in the game. Jinetes are available to all factions and that is probably the single most important unit for any of the Iberian factions if used correctly.
Do it now.
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Not to Aragon unfortunately, they get Alforrats, regular light cav {fast} instead...Jinetes are available to all factions and that is probably the single most important unit for any of the Iberian factions if used correctly.
Praeses
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Don't they get them as soon as they capture some parts of Iberia beside where they start? I swear I used extensively in my last campaign with them but maybe it was desert cavalry which are Jinetes poor cousins.Not to Aragon unfortunately, they get Alforrats, regular light cav {fast} instead...
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Tiro
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
id have to say aragon for 2 reasons, basque archers and knights of montessa, and yes, i know that once you capture the aragonese lands as the other iberians you get to recruit basque archers, but you cant beat having from the start xD
Civis
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
I love Almughavars but lacking Jinetes kills Aragon for me. Leon-Castille bores me, and has the strongest start of all the Iberian factions, so I rarely play them. I usually end up playing Portugal when I'm being one of the christian Iberian factions. Starts out nice and weak and has a good all around unit list.
Decanus
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Why is everyone so in love with jinetes? Ive used them to harrass the enemy infantry before but i think they have too little ammo to be of much use. They are also weak as hell in a melle fight. The moorish desert cavalry always kills my jinetes.
Domesticus
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Jinites are the perfect "surgical strike" unit. They might not be all that usefull throughout an entire battle - but they're awesome at taking out an enemy general, or other similar important dangerous unit that would otherwise cause a whole lot of damage to your army.
Praeses
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Not only that but once you get a few bars of xp for them and some more armor they can take out enemy HC pretty well not just weaken them.
At basic starting level they cast their javelins and run away weakening enemy HC enough the rest of your army have easy time finishing job. Powered up they can complete the job by themselves hugely saving losses of your entire army. Lure enemy cavalry away from army and execute them.
Especially fighting Moors and France as an Iberian faction the cavalry are really the main threat either of those armies have. Arab cavalry are slaughtered by Jinetes while the enemy generals minimum 50% losses or more depending on terrain etc. Early Feudal Knights etc also suffer huge with their low armor and Jinetes fast enough to get out and lure them before those knights hit your lines.
Vicarius
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
MOORS!
TWC is ruining my abilty to have an erectionWhen in doubt, say - Trve Norsk Blękk MettalRegarding the Irish, if its between them and the Timurids:
Irish: ran around bogs and forests munching on potatoes
Timurids: slaughtered millions and threw empires into terror
OK I'm not sure the Irish had potatoes in medieval times but that still doesn't tip things in their favour
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Primicerius
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
Agreed. They beat all of them.
Of the other three: Aragon. Let me list everything they have:
Two knightly orders, both slightly better than the Templars/Hospitalers
Alforats of whatever it is; superb light cavalry unit for early game (late game as well, actually)
Gendarmes of whatever those heavy guys on horses (and on foot as well) are called
Pike & Shot is especially good for the southern European factions, though their artillery isn't as strong as the Italian ones.
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Tribunus
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
I always play Castille in Spain. I might try Portugal now...
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Semisalis
Re: Which faction of the 3 iberian factions is better overall?
For me Moors and then Castille/Leon
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