Soviet Amerika

[pchalk]

This is a discussion about the US being on a similar path to collapse that the Soviet Union faced. I thought this was an interesting discussion even if it seemed that the speakers pretty much all agreed with each other . but where they differed was on why and to what severity. I have to say ive seen John Laughland in a couple different discussions and cant say Ive disagreed with anything hes said. Also this vid uses the term "empire" to describe the US. I cant say I agree with this term but what I can say I do see US foreign policy as an extension of its clear "world police" complex in a sort of crusade of its own democratic ideals. I dont agree with this sort of attitude my nation has. having said that I don't believe this would cause any sort of collapse for the US. If the US is to collapse it would mainly be in the way its government handles the economy. On a wider scale this is what I have heard many predict.

what u guys think?

[Thorn777]

Look at the EU and Germany and which constitutional laws it threw overboard this weekend to save the Euro and save us all from another very likely economic melt-down on its term just saved with enormous world-wide government bail-outs.

I think the govts need to do what they need to do. Dangerous I know, but so is the alternative.

Soviet-empire? No...

[pchalk]

i dont think they were calling the US a soviet empire (well maybe one of them was but not in agreement with the rest) but they were comparing a possible downfall similar to that of the soviets. i think its pretty clear all the options regarding solutions to the economy generally risky or dangerous. but where heated debates arise are which the lesser of two evils are so to speak

[Alkarin]

Soviet America? *tears of joy*

jokes aside

Everything they say makes sense, but whether any of it has enough merit to be taken as a true outcome anytime soon is another thing.

They are very correct in one point, the war in the middle east. Its a waste of time. the situation is deteriorating. And its one of the main source of debt in the US economy

[Pious Agnost]

As soon as the many separate, concentrated and not too long ago independent minorities demand secession from the Union, as soon as the Americans can't afford to feed themselves, as soon as the Chinese begin to woo Mexico and Canada into the Shanghai pact, as soon as the United States loses all international support and allies THEN I may believe them.

This whole 'US is like Rome' or 'US is like USSR' or even 'US is like UK' phenomenon is too narrow-minded.

[pchalk]

As soon as the many separate, concentrated and not too long ago independent minorities demand secession from the Union, as soon as the Americans can't afford to feed themselves, as soon as the Chinese begin to woo Mexico and Canada into the Shanghai pact, as soon as the United States loses all international support and allies THEN I may believe them.

This whole 'US is like Rome' or 'US is like USSR' or even 'US is like UK' phenomenon is too narrow-minded.

i cant see states seceding. theres no point. but in the comparison Russia today is not split up. sure countries broke off but they were of their own ethnicity and culture; already nations themselves. the rhetoric revolving this sort of subject always does seem a bit far fetched when they say things like "american imperialism." but they bring up real economic concerns as things are looking to potentially be the worst wev seen since maybe the great depression

[Pious Agnost]

i cant see states seceding. theres no point. but in the comparison Russia today is not split up. sure countries broke off but they were of their own ethnicity and culture; already nations themselves.

That's precisely my point

the rhetoric revolving this sort of subject always does seem a bit far fetched when they say things like "american imperialism." but they bring up real economic concerns as things are looking to potentially be the worst wev seen since maybe the great depression

While the current economic crisis is definitely going to lead to problems, for everyone, it's hasn't even approached the level of the economic crisis that struck the USSR in its final days.

America can put food on its shelves, not just in its capital like the Soviets struggled to do in its dying days, but all over the country.

It is still the worlds largest economy, and unless there is an incredibly drastic turn of events, it's likely to stay that way for a long time.

[CarbEast]

While the current economic crisis is definitely going to lead to problems, for everyone, it's hasn't even approached the level of the economic crisis that struck the USSR in its final days.

America can put food on its shelves, not just in its capital like the Soviets struggled to do in its dying days, but all over the country.

There wasn't any significant drop in productivity of food industry in USSR in its later days, so in theory USSR could supply food at least at the same standard as it did in previous years, when shelves were far from being empty. The reason why this wasn't happening is because the redistribution system has (mainly out of populist motives) became completely undone, with people starting to have more money than their economy can support and spending more than they can afford. Reminds you of something, doesn't it...

[intel]

There wasn't any significant drop in productivity of food industry in USSR in its later days, so in theory USSR could supply food at least at the same standard as it did in previous years, when shelves were far from being empty. The reason why this wasn't happening is because the redistribution system has (mainly out of populist motives) became completely undone,

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with people starting to have more money than their economy can support

That's not what we call "inflation", sorry.

and spending more than they can afford. Reminds you of something, doesn't it...

No it doesn't. You described neither American or Soviet economic system.

[Alkarin]

i cant see states seceding. theres no point. but in the comparison Russia today is not split up. sure countries broke off but they were of their own ethnicity and culture; already nations themselves. the rhetoric revolving this sort of subject always does seem a bit far fetched when they say things like "american imperialism." but they bring up real economic concerns as things are looking to potentially be the worst wev seen since maybe the great depression

seceding? not at all. It would be an economic and federal government collapse

[corpse helvetica]

those idiots in Russia Today had no idea how deeply in poop USSR economy was...

also from states perspective being a member of USA is profitable but from soviet "republics" perspective USSR/Russians were leeching their resources - Estonia, for instance had "holy task" to feed Leningrad and therefore shelves in shops were empty in spite of the fact that 60% of habitants in Estonia worked in agriculture.

[intel]

also from states perspective being a member of USA is profitable but from soviet "republics" perspective USSR/Russians were leeching their resources - Estonia, for instance had "holy task" to feed Leningrad and therefore shelves in shops were empty in spite of the fact that 60% of habitants in Estonia worked in agriculture.

And Poland was centre of light industry and agriculture. It supplied Russia with coal, food, grain and light industry's products.

I don't really see how economic profiles of US and USSR are even remotely similiar.

[Gelgoog]

I guess if your a moron and know nothing about either country then yea, I could see how some might see similarities.

[pchalk]

no need to call names

[Armenum]

US will be last country to be "Soviet". The people of US are very resistant to any word slightly resembling socialism or communism. Plus to structure of the government with all the states make it rather difficult for such a thing to happen. Is that Russia Today I see? Not the best source regarding US related issues

[cfmonkey45]

I stopped at "neo-feudalism."

[Pious Agnost]

Aw c'mon, the best parts are after that.

[boofhead]

Is this on free-to-air US TV?

[pchalk]

Is this on free-to-air US TV?

u mean network tv? no. its Russia Today. i think ive seen someone around here have it on their cable tv but idk. Its in english and none of those guys are russian so i wonder where exactly they do broadcast otherwise.

[Giuliano Taverna]

Russia today is a superstitious primitive conspiracy oriented channel that exists for no other perceptible reason than to attack the US.