The Problem with Ents...

[Toshach]

I have wondered as to why it was decided that the Ents would be available as a merc unit only to the Sylvan Elves. In the Lord of the Rings, the Ents fought against only one opponent, Isengard, and Isengard fought against only one other opponent, Rohan. In LotR, it was the Hobbits, Merry and Pippen who “recruited” the Ents to attack Isengard, and the Isengard Army at Helm’s Deep, in a sense working on Rohan's behalf at the time.

It strikes me that it would be much more in keeping with the books and movies if the Ents were available to Rohan as a merc unit. This would make it possible for the Rohan player to replicate the Ent’s actual role in the War of the Ring. It would also give Rohan much needed assistance, and IMHO help to better balance the Rohan campaign.

If having the Ent’s available to two factions presents some kind of problem, then I suggest that a new, large creature type Beorning Bears, be created for the Sylvan Elves.

[Raiven]

Well Ents had no deal with men and there was reason why Eomer said to his men to keep away from trees. But elves are creatures who realy care for nature so it is logical.

[Æsir]

Ents fighting for cause of Rohan was a coincidence. The only authorities for Ents were Wizards and most greatest of Elven nobles.

[old_dude]

I have wondered as to why it was decided that the Ents would be available as a merc unit only to the Sylvan Elves. In the Lord of the Rings, the Ents fought against only one opponent, Isengard

The movies just make it appear that way. They also aided the elves. I can't remember the details but I think they helped repel three attacks by Mordor against Lorien(or was it Mirkwood). Anyways none of the help they gave against Isengard was at Rohans behest.

[Korsan82]

The movies just make it appear that way. They also aided the elves. I can't remember the details but I think they helped repel three attacks by Mordor against Lorien(or was it Mirkwood). Anyways none of the help they gave against Isengard was at Rohans behest.

In the books the Battle of Helms Deep is completely fought by Rohan. Eomer reached and crushed the orc army when Huorns killed those who fled from Helms Deep. Those Huorns or however they are spelled moved from Fangorn to Helms Deep to aid Rohan while the Ents took care of Isengard itself.

[Berserker1]

Well technically they can throw boulders, just have them be javelin with boulder projectiles, for the aiming animation, they would grab the ground, and maybe instead of a boulder, it could be a big thing of dirt, and when they throw... well they throw Follow? Comprende?

You know all that I read about ents, they sound like selfish jerks, almost makes me want to burn them because they act like they do not like people, and would kill people just for entering their forrest.

Tree racism

[Theoroshia]

The enemy of my enemy is not always my friend

[SinerAthin]

Ents fighting Isengard for their own purpose just happened to be beneficial to Rohan, to whom they had no interest for.

[Hero_of_All]

those were huroens(just like ents but evilish)(kinda hard to explain) haha i think i spelt it right those were the trees that the orcs slaughterd those were no ents... to Raiven

[Raiven]

those were huroens(just like ents but evilish)(kinda hard to explain) haha i think i spelt it right those were the tress that the orcs slaughterd those were no ents... to Raiven

well yeah, you are right here...but still ents care no for troubles and wars of man and wizrards

[Hero_of_All]

well yeah, you are right here...but still ents care no for troubles and wars of man and wizrards

yes very true if you think about why sould you have to pay for ents as merc units think about it what would ents use gold forprice should be lowerd now i think bout it

[Eryn]

yes very true if you think about why sould you have to pay for ents as merc units think about it what would ents use gold forprice should be lowerd now i think bout it

You got a point there. It could even be balanced by making them not available in the early game and later with big "cooldowns".

[Seleukos_I.]

Actually that were Huorns. Ents that have become tree-ish or trees which developed to some sort of Ent.
They were still under the command of the normal Ents.

[Hero_of_All]

Actually that were Huorns. Ents that have become tree-ish or trees which developed to some sort of Ent.
They were still under the command of the normal Ents.

yes thats what i ment but arnt they evilish my mind cant remember these things

[Neptune7]

I don't know how Ents are implemented in the game..But in the movies they threw boulders and whatever they could find at the orcs..I don't know if it can be implemented in the game, but that is what I would like to see the Ents do..If they walk into a rocky area, then they automatically pick up boulders, and turn into temporary missle units... ...

[Lordinquisitor]

Well, ents can`t throw boulders atm, but you should have checked it yourself, don`t you think?

[seregras]

Id also like to point out that the ents didnt just fight isengard. They fought another northern army further afield, that was comprised of orcs from Dol Guldur, as they were sieging Lorien and moving south across the wold in an attempt to harry the riding of rohan to gondor. So the ents aided both Rohan while their armies were away, and lorien while they were under siege.

[Toshach]

Ents fighting Isengard for their own purpose just happened to be beneficial to Rohan, to whom they had no interest for.

Strictly speaking, yes. But in the context of the war, it is not an accurate illustration. The Ents were persuaded to attack by Merry and Pippen, who's motives were to help their friends. When the Ents attacked Isengard, they had no association with the Elves, and in fact I would argue that since they were "recruited" by Merry and Pippen, they had what could be described as a second hand association with Rohan. Since the Ents are represented in the mod as mercs, and not a faction, their purpose is to be used in almost exactly the same fashion as they were in the Lord of the Rings.

The Ents destruction of Isengard during the war between Isengard and their role at Helm's Deep are two of the most important events in the War of the Ring; events with enormous strategic implications. If Rohan can't hire the Ents as mercs, how do you recreate those events?

Now, this may bend lore a bit in the abstract, but isn't recreating the actual history of the war worth this rather minor infraction? Allow the Elves to buy them too.

Besides, as I indicated up top, Rohan could use the help.

[Deedlit]

Yes but the Silvan Elves aka Wood elves in most fantasy are normaly at one with the nature and with tree's etc. So it just makes the most logical sense from a gameplay point of view that you can Hire Ents as Silvan Elves. You could make them rebels if you really wanted to but then you would have Ents attacking everyone. And that couldn't be further from the lore.

Edit: And yes i think Rohan should be able to recuit them from a gameplay point of view.

[Duke_Dutch]

What about an ent army when Isenguard takes Fangorn forest. In the game, a small band of rebel ents deploy, but they do nothing, they just stand there and wait.
Second, there is no reward for isenguard to capture Fangorn forest becausen the money from the region is poor and it provides no wood as a trade resourge.
Why not make a rebbel army with an attack order on the settlement isenguard. I think Rohan doin't need ent as merc units. fist of all it is not realisic and second unbalancend for the game. Ihe main problem with the Rohan isenguard campaign is that they are not a threath to each other. Whe I play Isenguard the high and silvan elves and Eriador attack me most of the time, not Rohan. And when I play Rohan, it is Harad, Rhun an Mordor who attack me with there invasions.

(sorry for my bad english)