Enemy Keeps Cancelling Trade Rights: DAI Bug?

[magman]

I'm playing as prussia and for some reason Austria and the Mughal Empire keep canceling my trading rights. Well that isn't the part that bothers me. What bothers me is that they will then accept trade rights the next turn and pay me 200-400 gold for the privilege!

I've had similar issues with alliances if I don't give open borders. Is there a reason for this? I searched the forum, but nothing showed up so I'm wondering if I'm the only one.

Does anyone else have this problem?

[Tango12345]

It won't be a darth problem-vanilla, coming from the fact that while the diplmacy has been improved by darth, it is impossible to completely fix it as the files are hard coded. So unfortunately, you have to expect them to be a little (or more than a little) stupid sometimes. That said, I have never seen this exact situation before, mostly it is just them making outrageous deals

[hip63]

I have a Ultimate Late Campaign and I have stable trade rights galore.

Trade is booming for me. My ports are busy as hell and have been for many turns.

Heck, I've been trading with Iroquois and Cherokee since turn one (first campaign that I have managed to keep total peace with all the Indian factions)

Even when the British declared war on me, the Iroquois refused to join the war against me even though they are still allied with England.

hip63

[Steeltrap]

I've seen the same thing as magman i.e. nations doing the alliance/trade deal 'hokey-pokey'. And, yes, they cancel then ask for it back the next turn while offerning money to reinstate what they just cancelled.

Put it in the 'dopey AI' bucket (large bucket, I know).

[♔Darmoth♔]

I don't know... I've experienced this for the first time with DMUC 6.0... this is well after 280+ Vanilla hours having never seen it. Austria seems to be the one dancing the trade rights jig. I eventually started to refuse their offer unless they start paying me for their annoying inconvenience. The only other faction I've seen doing this so far is the UP. I'm playing as Russia if that matters.

I'm not saying it's Darth Mod... I'm just stating my observation.

[T.J.Jackson]

I've the same with Sweden. I play with Russia...

[Steeltrap]

I'm not saying it's Darth Mod... I'm just stating my observation.

I've seen it happen irrespective of who I play.

It's possible it appears to happen more in DM due to the fact that diplomacy in vanilla was such a FUBAR that nothing much of any sense occurred. Once things start making more 'sense', oddities like this become more obvious.

(p.s. FUBAR = Focked Up Beyond All Recognition)

[sfchammer]

I used to see this a lot in Vanilla. Saw it a few times in DMUC 5+, but have not come across it in DMUC 6 yet. Mind you I am only 30 or so years into my first camapign, so it may happen at some stage in the future.

[Skyline Pete]

Austria was doing this for the first 10 or so turns of my GC and every time I would just get them back the next turn. Alas, the one turn I forgot to do it they just declared war.

[Humble Warrior]

I haven`t had this at all. At least not to the point of annoyance. Maybe once or twice to avoid a war with someone, say I`m allied with trade rights with someone then go to war and they cancel to avoid war, then ask for trade rights or alliance next turn to get their finances going again.

Sometimes Allys are quite sneaky, breaking trade and an alliance if it might bring them into YOUR war, but then allying and trading with you to suit them or for protection in the next turn incase THEY get into a war.

Have any of you considered that perhaps certain other AI Factions are bribing nations to break trade with you, the nation agrees for the bribe, then next turn tries to be a trade partner with you again and it might be a constant bribe, trade, bribe trade thing going on behind your back? Check how many enemies you may have that might be causing your trade partners to do this.

[♔Mandelus♔]

Well, I have to agree here with humble Warrior!

The only incidents when the AI cancells the trade agreements is and was with DMUC 5.5 and 6.0:

a) They entered a war with me (total normal situation then when no further trading)
b) They lost the abilities to make trading by loosing the province with a port or something like this

There was only one single case which doesn't fit with this: I = USA got the message that the Mughals cancel the trading agreement. 2 rounds later they asked again for having but with the demand to get 2 technologies from me. So at least it could be noted or explained as a little bit "poker of the AI in diplomacy"

BTW ... again as in Vanilla and 5.5 the Mughals overrun India everytime and slaughter the Marathes if I make nothing there ...

[Arawn'Aun]

See this very often... play as England or as the United States in late... Spain will break the trade treaty and ask for another... sometimes this happens every few turns...