The Templar and the Hashshashin

[{II}Sovereign]

Needless to say both of these underground societies played roles in shaping events that would follow from Early Middle Ages to the very late Middle ages/Renaissance and possibly all the way to the age Enlightenment or were both sects only strongly influential in the set time of the Early Middle ages?

To me I think its possible that both parties played some key roles in shaping the structure kingdoms and later orders in both Western Europe and the Middle East but just not sure that they would have the type of impact that Assassins Creed would imply..

[Manco]

the type of impact that Assassins Creed would imply

Are you serious?

One was just a religious military order, the other were just a bunch of Isma'ili Shi'a who took to assassinations as they were too few to mount an army.

[{II}Sovereign]

Are you serious?

One was just a religious military order, the other were just a bunch of Isma'ili Shi'a who took to assassinations as they were too few to mount an army.

Way to take the question out of context, here's the entirety of it:

To me I think its possible that both parties played some key roles in shaping the structure kingdoms and later orders in both Western Europe and the Middle East but just not sure that they would have the type of impact that Assassins Creed would imply..

Again this isn't about AC this is about the prolonged influences that spread due to these sects.

I can already tell that most here will just see that one reference I made about the game and be rendered stupid. The topic is about the two orders and how they have influenced others such as the Masons and beyond.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

I can already tell that most here will just see that one reference I made about the game and be rendered stupid. The topic is about the two orders and how they have influenced others such as the Masons and beyond.

The masons learned how to rule the world from the templars, who possesed the holy grail, which is infact jesus' bloodline.

[{II}Sovereign]

The masons learned how to rule the world from the templars, who possesed the holy grail, which is infact jesus' bloodline.

Coming from someone who is probably more or less a new age hippy that believes in the pipe dream of a utopia, that really is amusing, keep it up maybe one day you'll be taken seriously...

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

Coming from someone who is probably more or less a new age hippy that believes in the pipe dream of a utopia, that really is amusing, keep it up maybe one day you'll be taken seriously...

Nice, I like how you know nothing about me and make sweeping statements.

In short the Templar had a relatively big influence, creating banking, and had a fairly powerful quasi-empire for awhile, the Hashshashin, while assaninating the odd influential member of society were little more than a historical footnote.

[Manco]

Way to take the question out of context, here's the entirety of it:



Again this isn't about AC this is about the prolonged influences that spread due to these sects.

I can already tell that most here will just see that one reference I made about the game and be rendered stupid. The topic is about the two orders and how they have influenced others such as the Masons and beyond.

If you just asked for their influence in history, okay. But you attached AC to it, so of course people will think you're talking about illuminati-type conspiracies since that's the entire theme of the game. That's not my fault, but yours.

[HansDuet]

Somebody's been playing Ass Creed.

[hellheaven1987]

Needless to say both of these underground societies played roles in shaping events that would follow from Early Middle Ages to the very late Middle ages/Renaissance and possibly all the way to the age Enlightenment or were both sects only strongly influential in the set time of the Early Middle ages?

To me I think its possible that both parties played some key roles in shaping the structure kingdoms and later orders in both Western Europe and the Middle East but just not sure that they would have the type of impact that Assassins Creed would imply..

1. Order of Solomon Temple was not underground society (Hashshashin is rather debatable, since its original purpose was agent for Fatimid Caliph).

2. Both were in High Middle Age (Early Middle Age generally refers to Dark Age).

3. Hashshashin actually had two branchs. The main base was in Persia, while Syria branch was more or less a subordinate until later on.

4. To put it short, Syria branch was client of Order of St John (Hospitallers) during 13th Century, and might involve assassin some targets for Hospitallers.

[Hookah Smoking Caterpiller]

This is a moronic thread. No, secret societies did not mould history in their design. The world is not controlled by jews/lizards/NWO/British Royal Family/HAARP etc.

[motiv-8]

Well I would say that if Hashashin did indeed assassinate Conrad of Montferrat then they made quite a substantial mark on history, for Conrad's death completely changed the course of the Kingdom of Jerusalem.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

As people said before me they made some nice (I mean very well organized) assassinations in the Middle East, but I don't think these assassinations had any serious impact in the region's history..

[motiv-8]

Except the one I just mentioned...

[RomanSoldier9001]

What influenced had Assassins for history? Hmm Something as the first religious/political group to use "terror" for political gain rings anny beel?
The Assassins kill a lot of people that would probaly change history that a big importance I think isnt possible to compare with Templars are different organazations.
It was thanks for the Templars better their spiritual descends the Order of Christ that Discovery Age star it and thats a big deal for Europe and World History.

[motiv-8]

Hmm Something as the first religious/political group to use "terror" for political gain rings anny beel?

Huh? This happened in the Roman Republic.

[GreyFox]

I doubt the Templars had much of an effect on the politics of the Middle Ages after they were wiped out in the 13th century.

[cenkiss]

Hashassins killed seljuk sultans causing trouble in their lands.

[teh.frickin.pope]

Didn't the Templar introduce international banking to Europe?

[konny]

Didn't the Templar introduce international banking to Europe?

yes, they did

[pannonian]

Is this a deliberate play on The Emperor and the Assassin?