As you can see from my sig, I believe America is a Republic, but do you believe it is a different style of government?
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As you can see from my sig, I believe America is a Republic, but do you believe it is a different style of government?
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
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A republic. Some believe it to be a Plutocratic Oligarchy (A privelidged few who rule and is run by money).
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It's both, really. It's a replublic because we do elect the leaders and have some sway in the government, but it is still rule by the few because we only have a small number of people actually running things, and most of them have their own interests rather than the interest of their constituents.
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though i voted republic, i agree with most of what Atheist said, it probably has been that way from the start but it has become more apparent recently that government officials do not always have the interest of the people at heart
Originally Posted by unworthy soldier
though i voted republic, i agree with most of what Atheist said, it probably has been that way from the start but it has become more apparent recently that government officials do not always have the interest of the people at heart
If they want to get elected, they HAVE TO. What you people fail to understand is that congressmen are given districts in which they run, and each district has radically different interests. Congress is run by a bunch of inidividuals who don't want the party to take control of them, and who basically need to keep the interests of their people at heart.
Note- This is partially why in over half the districts that voted for Bush in the Presidential election, they also voted in a democratic candidate.
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Plutocratic Oligarchy...in other words the bourgeoisie class which Marx spoke of more than a century and a half ago.
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The life-story of Bill Clinton is a good opposition to the theory.
We are indeed a democratic republic.
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Well the honesty and integrity of our politicians (or lack thereof) makes no difference in determining the type of government we have. Even if we elect wealthy scumbags a lot of the time, we still do elect them. People waste away their fortunes trying to run for and win the presidency; a real oligarchy would have a less expensive system worked out.
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the wealthy always rule over the masses, have there ever been a system where that hasnt happened? AND DO NOT SAY COMMUNISM!!!! the wealthy rule because they can afford education and fund their campaigns.
and america is a republic, any other suggestion is just an insane plea for attention
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I believe that this is the most brilliant assumption I have seen in TWC.and america is a republic, any other suggestion is just an insane plea for attention
Nevetheless, America, on a local level, is pluralist, and to some extent is even on the national level. People like Colin Powell, William Jefferson Clinton, Condoleeza Rice, Alberto Gonzales, Carlos Gutierrez, Elaine Chao, Norman Mineta, and Alphonso Jackson [just to name a few] are tenable proof of the aforementioned.
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MacMillan doesn't compensate for variable humidity,wind speed and direction or the coriolis effect. Mother nature compensates for where Macmillan's crosshairs are.
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You're totally missing the point though.
or mabye you are, have you ever stopped to think that you are the one who is wrong?
Sir Lucious Left Foot
I am totally missing the point when you have failed to point out how I am totally missing the point. If people of lower economic class, or of a minority status are in power, then America is completely and utterly elitist right?
Oh I see, I am completely missing the point here, as I have provided an example of how America is a republic. If America was truly oligarchial than how can you explain the disadvantaged in power. Unfortunately, it seems that your predispositions towards an anti-American bias preclude your posts from making an accurate judgement simply because a proper counterexample is deemed abhorently irrelevant.i dind't say he was wrong, I said he missed the point.
Explication: his post does not have much to do about the topic.
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MacMillan doesn't compensate for variable humidity,wind speed and direction or the coriolis effect. Mother nature compensates for where Macmillan's crosshairs are.
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Hm, but who gets the tax cuts? Who is pampered by the government and Senate? Why do the rich get the most benefits? Who funds political campaigns? Why does Bush call the super-rich his "base"? Why do all the people who reach the top align their policies to the interests of the top 1% of society, including W.J. Clinton? What about corporate welfare?
While there are small differences, the best thing is that both Republicans and Democrats are essentially the same in this regard, with the Republicans totally frank and the Democrats generally still paying lip-service to lofty ideals, and still spending a little bit for the downtrodden. If your alternatives as a voter look like these, maybe you ask yourself if you really live in a place where your opinion is represented. By Jove, this reminds me of all the kiddies who are convinced that a two-party state is much superior over a multi-party system. Yeah, with two parties it's just clearer that you don't really have a choice.
Like imb39 said, few options, very few options...
The mentioned personalities just show that big money is not racist per se. If you are willing and able to serve the elite, you get a nice post, regardless of race. How pluralist. It's just more complicated than a true oligarchy, but the rich choose their own, that you can be sure of.
It's both, a plutocratic oligarchy of a few hundred to a few thousand people who hold most or all the strings in their hands, and they use the republic to help themselves into power. There isn't a better way: The citizens think they are represented and those who don't can't revolt since the policies are the people's will, right? The beast reigned in. Throw into the mix a few hundred billions of dollars of advertisement for the things you don't need and the thoughts politicians and their business friends want you to have, and you know what wind is blowing.
It can still be an oligarchy, just an elected oligarchy.
The people who lose thier fortunes are not part of the select group of bourgeois.People waste away their fortunes trying to run for and win the presidency; a real oligarchy would have a less expensive system worked out.
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Once upon a time, America was a republic. I'm not really sure what to call it now. We still have a federal model of government with some power reserved to the states and local governments. But even those powers are being eroded and assumed by the national government.
Primicerius
The Ilumminati control us all! but seriously, we are a rebublic, even though we have become a very centralized government. (national over state)
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About the third option, Norvodusu needed an option, I didn't think anyone would really choose it.
About the balance of power between the state and federal power, that has nothing to do with being a Republic or Oligarchy. It has to do with being a Federal, Unitary, or Confederate nation.
A Federal nation divides its power between regional and national government. Currently the US is federalist.
A Unitary nation is one where nearly all the power resides in the national government. Most European nations are like this.
A Confedracy is where nearly all power rests in the regional governments. The HRE was an example of this.
“The nation that will insist upon drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking by cowards.”
—Sir William Francis Butler
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Yes, I noticed a bunch of people are mixing things up in this topic...
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