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    Default TWC Supreme Court have spoken with a clear margin: Norway will bail out and annex Iceland! The unification have begun....

    A senario......
    While not exactly pocket change, Iceland’s $5.5 billion Icesave debt to Britain and the Netherlands amounts to just 1.2 percent of the value of Norway’s offshore wealth fund. For Iceland, it’s more than $15,000 per citizen.

    Given the two countries’ close historic links — Norwegian Vikings discovered the Atlantic island where people still speak a version of “old Norwegian” — speculation about Oslo coming to the rescue has Reykjavik licking its lips.

    It would take some coaxing of the Norwegian electorate, but why shouldn’t Oslo help out its crisis-hit cousin, Icelandic newspapers are asking.

    On muted idea has Norway buying Icesave debts and allowing Reykjavik to repay the loans on better terms than it has gained from the Dutch and British governments.

    The standing terms, a 5.55 percent fixed annual rate for the next 15 years with no payments for the next seven years, are deemed unfairly high by most Icelanders and set to be overwhelmingly rejected in a referendum on the Icesave bill this Saturday.

    Unlike Germany, which fears it will have to bail out fellow euro-member Greece by taking cash from its own people or issuing more debt, Oslo would simply tap into savings and ensure the loan gets repaid before its oil runs out in a few decades.

    But finding bailout advocates in Oslo is proving tough.

    Finance Minister Sigbjoern Johnsen has said that he would not reject outright any proposal for additional aid from Reykjavik, if such a request was made, but quickly added that Norwegian aid hinges on continued support by the IMF, which is overseeing Iceland’s economic reforms.

    Norway is not in the business of rescuing countries back from the brink of economic collapse. Nor does it want to become Iceland’s main creditor because it could be forced into a de-facto policeman role, monitoring Reykjavik progress with tough reforms so that it will get its money back.

    There are also concerns that unilateral help from affluent Norway, which already provides part of a $2.5 billion IMF-supervised loan with other Nordic countries, may trigger requests from other hard-up debtors seeking relief.

    “If we bail out Iceland, who is to say that Greece won’t come knocking next and telling us that we really owe much in terms of our democracy and culture to the ancient Greeks?” asked one Oslo-based economist. “Lots of Norwegian pensioners live in Spain, so we have interests there too.”

    What do you think, should Norway share its oil savings with Iceland?
    http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2010...ilout-iceland/

    So what say you....



    (Perhaps Norway should consider a mortgage-style bailout with hidden rate hikes and fees. You know, learning from our commerades in the US and it's banks).
    Last edited by Kjertesvein; May 11, 2010 at 02:46 AM.
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    If things are going as they are now, Norway will need to save all it can before it gets a push from the widespread recessions.

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    Well, it's obviously in Norway's best interest to keep Iceland out of the EU. As it stands their hand is pretty much forced.

    Though I really don't see it happening because any historical or cultural ties is irrelevant to our current leftist government. They would argue that it would be racist to give special treatment to Iceland and not some random impoverished African nation instead.

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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    Quote Originally Posted by Norge View Post
    Well, it's obviously in Norway's best interest to keep Iceland out of the EU. As it stands their hand is pretty much forced.

    Though I really don't see it happening because any historical or cultural ties is irrelevant to our current leftist government. They would argue that it would be racist to give special treatment to Iceland and not some random impoverished African nation instead.
    Are you serious? (not a rhetorical question btw)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard View Post
    Are you serious? (not a rhetorical question btw)
    About what? The leftist government?

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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    i soo chose the third poll option

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    Quote Originally Posted by pchalk View Post
    i soo chose the third poll option
    same, annexing is fun

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    Annexation!!!

    Although I doubt that two provinces producing only fishs are profitable... I prefer sugar and tobacco in Brazil...
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Although I doubt that two provinces producing only fishs are profitable...
    lolwut

    I'm not really sure what to vote, there are good arguments on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Annexation!!!

    Although I doubt that two provinces producing only fishs are profitable... I prefer sugar and tobacco in Brazil...
    Someone's been playing too much EU3 I suspect you're into magna mundi, what's your forum name?

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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    I want USA to join EU so they can bail us out financially.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boyar Son View Post
    I want USA to join EU so they can bail us out financially.
    well if this were true at the very least the EU couldn't siphon more power off its members. Americans wouldnt go for sacrificing sovereignty

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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    they shoulda included iceland in the M2:TW map....

    but no, norway's oil money should go to norwegian interests

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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    Why not? Norway should...

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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    Government intervention in the economy NEVER works. Neither does trying to save a floundering country by incentivising its drowning.

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    I don't think it would be so weird or foolish to make Iceland a province of Norway...

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    Default Re: Should Norway bail out Iceland?

    All rise (from their chair)

    The TWC Supreme Court have spoken. Bring out the longboats, we set sail at dusk!

    The Kingdom of Norway-Iceland:


    1262 - The Icelandic Commonwealth enters into a treaty establishing a union with Norway and acknowledges Norwegian King Haakon IV as its ruler.
    2010 - Iceland enters into a treaty establishing a union with Norway and acknowledges Norwegian King Harald V as it's ruler.

    Decline and fall of the Icelandic Commonwealth:
    In the early 13th century, the Sturlung era, the Commonwealth began to suffer from serious internal strife. The King of Norway began to exert pressure on his Icelandic vassals that they bring the country under his rule. A combination of discontent with domestic hostilities and pressure from the King of Norway led the Icelandic chieftains to accept Norway's Haakon IV as king by the signing of the Gamli sáttmáli ("Old Covenant") in 1262. This effectively brought the Commonwealth to an end.

    Norway-Iceland and it's economic zone:


    Now, who is next? If one more nordic nation unites, we would have to change the name to ******-Union.
    Last edited by Kjertesvein; May 11, 2010 at 03:06 AM.
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Default Re: TWC Supreme Court have spoken with a clear margin: Norway will bail out and annex Iceland! The unification have begun....

    Kalmar Union + Iceland? You'd have a massive economic zone, especially with Greenland (assuming Denmark is included in Kalmar).

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    Default Re: TWC Supreme Court have spoken with a clear margin: Norway will bail out and annex Iceland! The unification have begun....

    Yeah, that would be gigantic. What about Finland? I can accept them into the "union". Holy cow, in a few years when we get a few degrees hotter, it would be the Constantinople of the world. *dreams of a northern empire with flying longboats with laser cannons*.
    Thorolf was thus armed. Then Thorolf became so furious that he cast his shield on his back, and, grasping his halberd with both hands, bounded forward dealing cut and thrust on either side. Men sprang away from him both ways, but he slew many. Thus he cleared the way forward to earl Hring's standard, and then nothing could stop him. He slew the man who bore the earl's standard, and cut down the standard-pole. After that he lunged with his halberd at the earl's breast, driving it right through mail and body, so that it came out at the shoulders; and he lifted him up on the halberd over his head, and planted the butt-end in the ground. There on the weapon the earl breathed out his life in sight of all, both friends and foes. [...] 53, Egil's Saga
    I must tell you here of some amusing tricks the Comte d'Eu played on us. I had made a sort of house for myself in which my knights and I used to eat, sitting so as to get the light from the door, which, as it happened, faced the Comte d'Eu's quarters. The count, who was a very ingenious fellow, had rigged up a miniature ballistic machine with which he could throw stones into my tent. He would watch us as we were having our meal, adjust his machine to suit the length of our table, and then let fly at us, breaking our pots and glasses.
    - The pranks played on the knight Jean de Joinville, 1249, 7th crusade.













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    Quote Originally Posted by Finn View Post
    This is the only forum I visit with any sort of frequency and I'm glad it has provided a home for RTR since its own forum went down in 2007. Hopefully my donation along with others from TWC users will help get the site back to its speedy heyday, which will certainly aid us in our endeavor to produce a full conversion mod Rome2.

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    Default Re: TWC Supreme Court have spoken with a clear margin: Norway will bail out and annex Iceland! The unification have begun....

    Quote Originally Posted by Sivilombudsmannen View Post
    Yeah, that would be gigantic. What about Finland? I can accept them into the "union". Holy cow, in a few years when we get a few degrees hotter, it would be the Constantinople of the world. *dreams of a northern empire with flying longboats with laser cannons*.
    god that sounds awesome.
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