Impossible to get AI to pursue peace of you after war?

[Paleface Killer]

I'm playing Spain in the grand campaign. Out of nowhere, England sends half a stack and take Gibraltar from me. At that time, I was involved in North Africa and Italy, so it caught me off guard. However, I was able to consolidate my military back to Spain and take Gibraltar back. To put more pressure on the British, I took all of their Caribbean holdings. No matter how much I'm winning, they won't pursue peace with me. I'm about to take Savannah from them too, yet they still won't budge.

Why is it that the AI never goes back to peace after going to war?

[Orcguyman]

I've noticed it too. The French-allied Inuits decided it would be a good idea to launch an attack on my British at Newfoundland and despite my having shattered their primary force and outnumbering/outfinancing them by several powers of ten no amount of diplomatic cajoling will get them to end hostilities. I could destroy the faction, I guess, but my attentions are currently directed elsewhere and I don't know how much effort I want to put into the acquisition of the ice patch the Inuits call home.

[Humble Warrior]

I'm playing Spain in the grand campaign. Out of nowhere, England sends half a stack and take Gibraltar from me. At that time, I was involved in North Africa and Italy, so it caught me off guard. However, I was able to consolidate my military back to Spain and take Gibraltar back. To put more pressure on the British, I took all of their Caribbean holdings. No matter how much I'm winning, they won't pursue peace with me. I'm about to take Savannah from them too, yet they still won't budge.

Why is it that the AI never goes back to peace after going to war?

Should they? It all depends doesn`t it? Maybe they want to get what they lost back. Maybe they don`t care cos it isn`t Britain. I often find that if I take exactly back what the AI took and only THREATEN to take more (have a force near their lands about to invade) then ask for peace they often agree. The only other option is threaten Britain itself as Britain is like a `no go` area. Get a large naval invasion force near Britain then ask for peace.

Of course vanilla CAI is not brilliant. It could be just bugged.

[HomelessDepot]

I find it extremely difficult to engage in 'limited' warfare with the AI in Empire... which is kind of a shame, since I think it would add a lot to the atmosphere of the game.

-HD

[Skyline Pete]

I find it extremely difficult to engage in 'limited' warfare with the AI in Empire... which is kind of a shame, since I think it would add a lot to the atmosphere of the game.

-HD

This is how I see it too. Seems to be that the AI has 'limits' on what it considers losses acceptable in relation to continuing the war.

I usually have to beat the living snot out of an opponent before they give up and even then they sometimes won't. The AI offering peace to me is a rarity and when it does happen it's usually accompanied by outlandish requests of territory or vast sums of money.

[schnipsy2]

When Empire first came out, I found that agreeing to terms of peace was very easy. Almost too easy, in fact, because the AI would almost always declare war on me again the very next turn. Now peace is the complete opposite... seems like they just can't get it right.

[Rean]

Im still a newbie on ETW, only began playing it a few days ago, but in my GB campaign, Spain attacked Portugal and i decided to help my ally (Portugal). First i began taking their colonies in Americas, after i took everything, i took Brusels, and launched an invasion to Spain. After 2 hard battles i took Madrid and then offered them peace and asking to give Gibraltar to me and they accepted it with pleasure So my idea is that you should take their capital, or at least threaten it before asking peace.

[Archimonday]

The AI will ask for peace, but only after A.) A long period of time, or B.) You reduce their country to the stone age.

[Lumina]

If they are an ally of an enemy who declares war on you, normally if you push peacefully early on and continue to do so over a span of a few ingame years you can normally convince them to make peace with you, offer, offer and keep offering. It mainly counts how the war began, if you were the aggresser it is much harder to make peace, did you expand? I took Gibralter from Spain only because I was protecting my Protectorate which was just south of it, nwo I'm a buffer, after a couple years and a full stack of veteran soldiers along Spain's Southern Border, and a few blockade efforts I had my peace with Spain only cost me 3000, and one technology, but for a strategic naval base and making a wedge between them and my protectorate, it was well worth it.

[Neoton]

When playing as GB I wiped out the french from America nad then asked for peace and they accepted.

[Lumina]

When playing as GB I wiped out the french from America nad then asked for peace and they accepted.

I sieged their captial and destroyed their europian native economy and won half their colonies through a peace treaty. Didn't have to even invade North America to get colonies.

[Neoton]

Yes, I could do this but I have "house rules" and one of them is that no major faction can be fully destroyed.

[Lumina]

Yes, I could do this but I have "house rules" and one of them is that no major faction can be fully destroyed.

I didn't fully destroy them, I said sieged their captial, destroyed their economy, it was either peace and gimmie some colonies or they would vanish, of course I paid them some cash and tech on top of that, it is a similar tactic to gain protectorates, AI would refuse to be a protectorate othewise. The colonies given to me was part of the peace treaty.

[Tim_Ward]

They can and do accept peace treaties, but the logic they use to decide when to do so is something of a mystery.

I suspect we might find it equally hard to make peace treaties in the real world if we were forced to guess the terms the other side would be prepared to accept.

[Humble Warrior]

They can and do accept peace treaties, but the logic they use to decide when to do so is something of a mystery.

I suspect we might find it equally hard to make peace treaties in the real world if we were forced to guess the terms the other side would be prepared to accept.

I agree with this. One cannot just make a nation agree to peace in real life just like that and I think it`s good that peace is difficult to guarantee in game. I do think that too many people expect a guaranteed recipe for peace (in all strategy games not just ETW) and there`s never any such guarantee realistically. There`s a saying that you can start war when you want to, but can`t end it when you want to.

[Tim_Ward]

I agree with this. One cannot just make a nation agree to peace in real life just like that and I think it`s good that peace is difficult to guarantee in game. I do think that too many people expect a guaranteed recipe for peace (in all strategy games not just ETW) and there`s never any such guarantee realistically. There`s a saying that you can start war when you want to, but can`t end it when you want to.

A problem is that real nations go to war for a reason, so you at least know where to start in negotiating a peace treaty: whereas in Empire (as in all grand strategy games that I know of) they're just sort of generically at war with you because they don't like you.

Of course something as complex and intuitive as diplomacy is very hard to simulate convincingly, but it's sad that developers don't even try.

[Paleface Killer]

I agree with this. One cannot just make a nation agree to peace in real life just like that and I think it`s good that peace is difficult to guarantee in game. I do think that too many people expect a guaranteed recipe for peace (in all strategy games not just ETW) and there`s never any such guarantee realistically. There`s a saying that you can start war when you want to, but can`t end it when you want to.

The problem is that in real life, if you start a war with another country and you're clearly losing, you'd accept an unconditional peace treaty.

[Tim_Ward]

See, this is why CA should never, ever be allowed anywhere near a World War 2 game.

[Lumina]

^ Nonthing more I can say about that. We let them keep their monarch family, that is all they wanted in terms of surrender, took two atom bombs for the Americans to give into those terms.... oh .... hmm wait?

[Commander Keen]

See, this is why CA should never, ever be allowed anywhere near a World War 2 game.

literally chuckled out loud at that