The Victory Day - thread about the nature of the URSS regime

**Druchii22** · May 08, 2010, 03:48 PM

Hey,

I open this thread as a consequence of the - miserable - closing of this one. Let it be clear : if you intend to post on this thread, it must be without insults, and with a clear argumentation, no proof-less affirmations. Thank you.
I invite anyone that still think as the URSS regime as a happy'n'merry one to post here, and hope we can have a rational, mature, discussion about it.

**torongill** · May 08, 2010, 03:58 PM

Define URSS please.

**Druchii22** · May 08, 2010, 04:02 PM

Well, the well-stated federation of all the communist states united under the "URSS"'s power, but mainly the regime, as we talk about the Victory Day, during the WW2, in its most totalitarian form.

**Astor** · May 08, 2010, 04:08 PM

Him being a French speaker, I assume he says URSS because that's what the USSR translates to in French.

**Werebear** · May 08, 2010, 04:09 PM

It called USSR/СССР

**torongill** · May 08, 2010, 04:15 PM

There's no such thing as USSR anymore. the CIS is a different fish altogether.

**Druchii22** · May 08, 2010, 04:20 PM

Originally Posted by torongill

There's no such thing as USSR anymore. the CIS is a different fish altogether.

Yes, that's right. As I stated above, I'm talking about the USSR (not URRS, sorry, bad French habits), not the actual CIS.

Originally Posted by Poach

Anyway, on to the topic at hand. The USSR had some good points and some bad points. Ofcourse, living in the Western World I've heard all the bad points ad infinitum and it is cited as why communism doesn't work. It was not communism, but I agree that it does show how communism doesn't work: not because communism itself is flawed, but because it's very nature causes a power vacuum which tyrants easily fill.

Yes, and that is what I'm trying to show to a few Russians who have the total opposite point of view. As I already said, everything isn't black or white, and it seems that a few people don't realize it.

**Druchii22** · May 08, 2010, 04:17 PM

Astor, that's exactly that, thank you.

It's for "Union des Républiques Socialistes Soviétiques".

**Poach** · May 08, 2010, 04:20 PM

Anyway, on to the topic at hand. The USSR had some good points and some bad points. Ofcourse, living in the Western World I've heard all the bad points ad infinitum and it is cited as why communism doesn't work. It was not communism, but I agree that it does show how communism doesn't work: not because communism itself is flawed, but because it's very nature causes a power vacuum which tyrants easily fill.

**Poach** · May 08, 2010, 05:14 PM

They'll probably think that because they're Russian they were right. The USSR had Communist aspects but it wasn't a proper Communist state. Communism itself is an interesting form of government and it'd be great if it worked but, for the forseeable future anyway, it won't work. It leaves a huge power vacuum that some tyrant can just walk right into and use to seize power.

Usually the leader of the "revolution" will use the support of all those who foolishly believe he's acting for the people in order to set himself up as said figurehead.

**Druchii22** · May 08, 2010, 06:02 PM

Originally Posted by Poach

They'll probably think that because they're Russian they were right. The USSR had Communist aspects but it wasn't a proper Communist state. Communism itself is an interesting form of government and it'd be great if it worked but, for the forseeable future anyway, it won't work. It leaves a huge power vacuum that some tyrant can just walk right into and use to seize power.

Usually the leader of the "revolution" will use the support of all those who foolishly believe he's acting for the people in order to set himself up as said figurehead.

Yes, I totally agree with you about that. I unfortunately not had the time - yet - to read any of Marx's writings, but from what I know, communism is, in its theoretical form, a tempting system. But, unfortunately, the government, in practice, is inevitably corrupted because that's in the nature of men to exploit the flaws of a system to their own benefits. And that is what Stalin ultimately did once Lenin died ; first, kill the opponents, then, establish a terrible dictatorship. It's a pity to see that all the attempt of a communism regime always led to the same result, a totalitarian government, whose only concern was his maintain on position by any means...

**Senno** · May 08, 2010, 05:45 PM

Gentlemen, if people make a minor error there is no need to discuss it to the actual topic's detriment.

Consider this a thread warning; remain on-topic.

**RomanSoldier9001** · May 08, 2010, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Senno

Gentlemen, if people make a minor error there is no need to discuss it to the actual topic's detriment.

Consider this a thread warning; remain on-topic.

I am sorry but whats the topic?

Nature of USSR Regime? Well a Totalarian "Communist" Regime that lasted from 1917 to 1991.

Is that what your looking for? Or is this one of those threats of your ideology/nation/country killed more than mine so you are the "baddies".

They'll probably think that because they're Russian they were right. The USSR had Communist aspects but it wasn't a proper Communist state. Communism itself is an interesting form of government and it'd be great if it worked but, for the forseeable future anyway, it won't work. It leaves a huge power vacuum that some tyrant can just walk right into and use to seize power.

Usually the leader of the "revolution" will use the support of all those who foolishly believe he's acting for the people in order to set himself up as said figurehead.

Well I got to say that real communits are the anarchits xD. But I got to say this makes all more confusing I mean is communist is not communist. I would say that Communism was what we got with totatlarian ideology in USSR,China,Camboja etc.
Now Communism in abstrat is different thing but Communism as ideology is called Communism and has political pratice so dont use that thing that thinking of "Communism is realy great they only make it bad"...