Ok, i'm officially stupid...

[SkyVodkeR]

i know, you are going to kill me, and you are right!

I still don't understand the difference between this:

b) 13 numbered and named 'Consular Legions' recruitable in AOR regions...available in Army Barracks+ after reforms
c) 22 numbered and named 'Imperial Legions' recruitable in AOR regions...available in Roman Army Base, which must be built in ten different AOR areas before they can be recruited. (See maps in ~\data\important_stuff folder)

Consular legions and imperial legios.

Both of them are recruitable after Marian reform, and in think that in my campaign, for now, i'm only able to recruit Consular legions, except in thessalonica where i can train a imperial legion (yes, reform occured).

Now, my question is: what are roman army base? and what means i must have them in ten different AOR areas?

And, to vanish any doubt or missunderstanding, can u post here a image of consular legion and one of imperial legion? so i'll finally understand of what we are talking about!

Please apologise me

[Horse Archer]

What's wrong with asking questions?

[Durakkon]

A roman army base is just an upgrade of your barracks. If you do not have the option to upgrade your barracks its very likely you have not built its prerequisite buildings. Upgrade your farms and you should be allowed to build one. Check the building browser in your game for more details its all in there.

[SkyVodkeR]

What's wrong with asking questions?

Lol, because i do allways the same question!

But i really don't understand the difference:

Is This a Consular Legion?


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Is this a Imperial legion?


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So question is: if they are both post marian reform legions; why in two different regions, but with both "field of mars" barrack, i'm not able to train the imperial one (second image)?

And then, i'll be able to train Legio VI ferrata in Capua with the "shape" of the IV Scythica? If yes, what it is supposed to do while i've just the most advanced barrack?

[Tiger88]

Legio VI Ferrata is a consular legion; they wear the lorica hamata and are recruitable in campania(because that's the place where they were raised)
Legio IV Scythica is an imperial legion; they have better armor, the lorica segmentata and you can recruit them in thracia.
There are some legions that are recruitable in more than 1 region. For example Legio III Gallica. Recruitable in Liguria, Narbonensis and Syria and that's because there is clear evidence that in those places they were stationed.
Those two legions that you asked about are only recruitable in 1 region because probably they were destroyed shortly after they were levied.

[rory o'kane]

Lol, because i do allways the same question!

But i really don't understand the difference:

Is This a Consular Legion?


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Is this a Imperial legion?


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So question is: if they are both post marian reform legions; why in two different regions, but with both "field of mars" barrack, i'm not able to train the imperial one (second image)?

And then, i'll be able to train Legio VI ferrata in Capua with the "shape" of the IV Scythica? If yes, what it is supposed to do while i've just the most advanced barrack?

No, each of the 35 legions is EITHER a consular legion (i.e. curvy scutum+chainmail) or Imperial legion (rectangular scutum + lorica segmentata), and each one is only available in a few provinces. If you had more provinces with the Barracks built up to the "Roman Fortress" level, you'd see that each of them would have a different legion available depending on where in the empire you've built it. each legion has its own AOR. And no, they don't change with the barracks. Legio VI Ferrata stays the same even after you've built the Roman fortress - it doesn't "upgrade" to segmentata. However, when you build the Roman Fortress in the region where Legio VI Ferrata is trainable, you will probably get another legion with segmentata that's available AS WELL in the same area.

[SkyVodkeR]

No, each of the 35 legions is EITHER a consular legion (i.e. curvy scutum+chainmail) or Imperial legion (rectangular scutum + lorica segmentata), and each one is only available in a few provinces. If you had more provinces with the Barracks built up to the "Roman Fortress" level, you'd see that each of them would have a different legion available depending on where in the empire you've built it. each legion has its own AOR. And no, they don't change with the barracks. Legio VI Ferrata stays the same even after you've built the Roman fortress - it doesn't "upgrade" to segmentata. However, when you build the Roman Fortress in the region where Legio VI Ferrata is trainable, you will probably get another legion with segmentata that's available AS WELL in the same area.

mmmmm, this sounds good... i love Imperial legion, and it was a pity i could rise up them only in specific regions, but ... what is Roman Fortress? my higher upgrade of barrack is Field of Mars.

[C-Rob]

Notice the AOR in the unit description, that means that each legion is restricted to specific provinces. For example, the imperial unit is restricted to only be able to be created in Thracia. The imperial legions have a higher starting attack than consular legions and imperials have that cooler looking armor. You can open your building browser and look at your barracks in each city to find out which cities recruit which legions. You will find all cities that end in, "(L)" has a legion they can recruit with the correct barracks, and the ones that do not, don't have a legion available to recruit and never will.

The developement team created the AOR's(area of recruitment) to accurately reflect that legions were raised in specific cities.

VI Ferrata, that consular legion is restricted to only be able to be recruited in the city in the Campania province.

[General Brittanicus]

Notice the AOR in the unit description, that means that each legion is restricted to specific provinces. For example, the imperial unit is restricted to only be able to be created in Thracia. The imperial legions have a higher starting attack than consular legions and imperials have that cooler looking armor. You can open your building browser and look at your barracks in each city to find out which cities recruit which legions. You will find all cities that end in, "(L)" has a legion they can recruit with the correct barracks, and the ones that do not, don't have a legion available to recruit and never will.

The developement team created the AOR's(area of recruitment) to accurately reflect that legions were raised in specific cities.

VI Ferrata, that consular legion is restricted to only be able to be recruited in the city in the Campania province.

The AOR is probably also because if you had all the legions recruitable in every city, the game would crash i think(not sure about that though.)

[C-Rob]

The AOR is probably also because if you had all the legions recruitable in every city, the game would crash i think(not sure about that though.)

and it would defeat the purpose of having 35 different skinned legions..

[rory o'kane]

and it would defeat the purpose of having 35 different skinned legions..

No, it wouldn't. Realistically, if you can retrain one legion somewhere, you should be able to retrain any legion there. It genuinely would cause CTDs if that were allowed to happen, however.

[C-Rob]

No, it wouldn't. Realistically, if you can retrain one legion somewhere, you should be able to retrain any legion there. It genuinely would cause CTDs if that were allowed to happen, however.

even if the engine didn't limit it, I think that it would take away a major gameplay component. YOu can talk about any reasons why it would make sense to all day if you want, but it would change the way RS is played for hte worse.

[SkyVodkeR]

so, for instance, i Italy I'll be only able to recruit consular legions... am I wrong?

[C-Rob]

so, for instance, i Italy I'll be only able to recruit consular legions... am I wrong?

You simply have to go by what the unit cards say. In italy you'll be able to recruit a mix between the two I think.

I think there are more imperial legions in your gaul provinces .

[GoldenJunior07]

i think it would help if someone can post the list of places where u can recruit the consular legions and the places where u can recruit the imperial legions

[rory o'kane]

Oh, maybe then. I know that's the final upgrade in RS 2.0. I may be wrong about RS 1.6. Have you got an Imperial Palace in the settlements where you have the Campus Martius?
Anyway, I don't know much about RS 1.6. I've been using the RS 2.0 beta for so long that I don't think I ever played even RS 1.5.

[SkyVodkeR]

yes, field of mars are the last barracks upgrade!

[rory o'kane]

That's true, but since we can't have different soldiers within the same unit, we have the split so that the legions that Caesar or his contemporaries use are the ones in Hamata (even though some of them probably upgraded their armour later) - hence the Consular/Imperial divide as it is. It's not perfect, but it does allow us to have legions with a variety of bits of equipment.

[Cymry]

ok, that makes sense!

[5th Lieutenant]

I thought the information on exactly what was worn remained somewhat conjectural.

Is the de facto difference not that the Imperial Legions on the whole represent later units that campaigned most famously under the Principate while the Consular Legions have more of an identifiable history under the late Republic?