A possible dicatorship in America? Or anywhere else?

**Major König** · October 16, 2005, 10:00 PM

There have been threads about socialsim evolving from democracy, and the possiblilty of rebels fighting a dictatorship in America. I believe that America has been spoon fed democracy so long that two things can happen:

The general populace, excluding people knowledgeable on these types of things, won't notice a dictator in power until he does something truly mad.

The people will immediately overthrow the dictator and struggle to install a suitable government again due to disorganisation and inability to decide.

**Poltemly** · October 16, 2005, 10:16 PM

the american military wouldnt allow it to happen in the first place, they swear alligence to protect the constitution. a dictator would have to convince almost the entire military command structure to go along with him. other wise he would be shot dead by either a four star general, fleet admiral, or comander of the marine corps. their loyalty doesnt really lie in the president, it lie with the OFFICE, not the MAN. i have asked several marines and army and navy folk bout that.

**Fenris** · October 16, 2005, 10:21 PM

Oligarchy and propaganda are a form of dictatorship. Both of which has already happened in the USA. It was inevitable considering the electoral system.

**Poltemly** · October 16, 2005, 10:22 PM

the marines are especially loyal to the OFFICE, to the point that they may attempt an organized coup to remove a dictator from that office. it wouldnt be a stretch for a marine sargeant to just open up with a burst from his M-16 into the chest of a man defiling the highest office which they swore to protect, along with the constitution, which would be defiled by a dictator

**SovietInsurgent** · October 17, 2005, 04:18 AM

Originally Posted by Poltemly

the american military wouldnt allow it to happen in the first place, they swear alligence to protect the constitution. a dictator would have to convince almost the entire military command structure to go along with him. other wise he would be shot dead by either a four star general, fleet admiral, or comander of the marine corps. their loyalty doesnt really lie in the president, it lie with the OFFICE, not the MAN. i have asked several marines and army and navy folk bout that.

If any official "dictator" comes to power in the U.S. he will probably be a high ranking military officer. The so called "loyalty" of the military lasts only as long as they are well fed and receive their salary on time.

**Major König** · October 16, 2005, 10:19 PM

So they would shoot him on site? I do't think taday's people have the ideals to do that.

**Hub'ite** · October 17, 2005, 02:10 AM

I highly doubt that a dictator could ever take over in the US.(no bush is not a dictator) The military and the people would never let that happen.

**Lord Rahl** · October 17, 2005, 03:03 AM

Theoretically we live in a Republican Democracy, however, some believe the USA resembles a Plutocratic Oligarchy. No one could ever become a dictator in the United States.

**mike^_^** · October 17, 2005, 03:09 AM

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy." - James Madison

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended , from abroad." - James Madison

turns out he was a pretty smart guy :original:

**Guderian** · October 17, 2005, 04:29 AM

I doubt a average marine will support the constitution when that means losing his salary and his way of life. More likely to support someone who plays on the fears of the populace and the military while guaranteeing he/she will safe guard the American way of life in order to create a dictatorship, thats the way it has always been done.

And as for what a military official says now with no real threat of danger and what they will do when confronted with the reality of the situation is anybody's guess.

**Erik** · October 17, 2005, 06:28 AM

The US won't have a dictator, the large corporations (who currently choose who becomes president) wil never allow that.

But IF a dictator takes over it would be someone who initially has huge popular support and slowly takes away civil liberties and eventually, after many years, becomes a true dictator.
Taking away civil liberties has proven very easy, you just need to spread fear.

**Torment** · October 17, 2005, 06:37 AM

I doubt a dictator could arise in a country which holds freedom so dearly. A succesfull dictator needs popular support, and I doubt he'd have it in the US...

But IF a dictator takes over it would be someone who initially has huge popular support and slowly takes away civil liberties and eventually, after many years, becomes a true dictator.Taking away civil liberties has proven very easy, you just need to spread fear.

So basically a copy of Hitler?

**Erik** · October 17, 2005, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Torment

So basically a copy of Hitler?

Yes.

(too short post)

**bigfootedfred** · October 17, 2005, 07:13 AM

woah woah!

ok you guys are REALLY freaking me out.

you've got me thinking about an "American Hitler" dear holy christ how bad would that be.

but would the systems of america be any better at protecting us (them as well as the rest of the world) from such a man, than the wiemar republic was?
once i would have said yes, but bush has laid down the framework to be expanded apon, look how easy it was for him to get through things such as the patriot act. and bush being no where near as inspirational a figure as hitler was to some.
with this "culture of fear" propergated, its possible.
Hell, americas even got its own "stab in the back" idea too....

**Poltemly** · October 17, 2005, 10:05 AM

ok, lets get one thing straight, for any one high ranking military commander to take control, he would need the support of at least a majority of all the commanders, and unless the government is disbanding the army, that is virtually impossible, as the navy rarely agrees with the army or the air force, and vice-versa.

**Major König** · October 17, 2005, 11:17 AM

The U.S is a barrier to communism, socialism, fascism, and will always remain a standard for democracy to rally. A dictator im thinking will not ever come into power, becuase America itself will not let it happen. If there was, he might stay in office for about a day before he is run out of America. Seems now, we all believe this nay?

**bigfootedfred** · October 17, 2005, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by Achilles_47

The U.S is a barrier to communism, socialism, fascism, and will always remain a standard for democracy to rally. A dictator im thinking will not ever come into power, becuase America itself will not let it happen. If there was, he might stay in office for about a day before he is run out of America. Seems now, we all believe this nay?

if your mind is so clear and made up.

why did you start a thread on this?
surely, if what you say was the case.
then there'd be no need?

for a start america isnt a democracy...but we can get to that later.

what makes you so sure everyone would know there was a dictator in power?
weimar republic: lots of public influence, and a well liked man, with a good properganda machine, can effectively put the wool over peoples eyes long enough, so that when the do realise, A: they dont care, because life is good for them, B: Its too late for them if life is bad.

indeed before world war two, allied leaders were hailing hilter (figuretavley speaking) as the savoiur of germany...

**Poltemly** · October 17, 2005, 11:27 AM

america is basically a republic similar to rome, and we all know what happened there. the real question is how would it turn out when an immensly popular figure made his grab for the entire pie. in america, you would need to convince the entire military, go down to the capital building with a division of tanks or sumat, and force the congress to sign over all power to you or they will be killed. after the first one is cut in half my a machine gun, they would cow, but the people would be infuriated and rise up

**bigfootedfred** · October 17, 2005, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by Poltemly

america is basically a republic similar to rome, and we all know what happened there. the real question is how would it turn out when an immensly popular figure made his grab for the entire pie. in america, you would need to convince the entire military, go down to the capital building with a division of tanks or sumat, and force the congress to sign over all power to you or they will be killed. after the first one is cut in half my a machine gun, they would cow, but the people would be infuriated and rise up

hilter had the same problem with the german milltary.

this resulted in i think, "the night of long knifes" where any of the millitar leaders he didnt trust, were killed, and repleced by thosse loyal to hilter, he used his "SS" to do the work.

edit:
ah ok, he killed off thosse he didnt trust, he he thought might try to take over from him, or take him out of power.
himler then took over as head, and..well..you know what he did.

anyway
Night of the Long Knifes

been quite a while since i did The Weimar repbulic so, my knowledge is a littel fragmented.

**Poltemly** · October 17, 2005, 01:29 PM

yeah? people have agreed with me in the mudpit for once?

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