Any potential for a Greater Azerbaidjan?

[CiviC]

There are around 8,150,000 Azeris living in the Republic of Azerbaijan, but 12 to 18 millions living in Iran (around 25% of the population), most concentrated in NortWestern Iran at the border of R. of Azerbaijan. I wonder if there is any potential in the future to see a strong national movement both in Iranian Azerbaijan and in independent Azerbaijan for the unification of Azeris in a single independent national state.

[Mr. Crow]

since the boss in Iran is an Azeri i don't see why, they would like to leave.

[The.Delegate]

This thread will be sure to attract Atabeg... and others... Way to go potentially starting a flame war...

However, as for the topic at hand; It's possible, but I think unlikely. Those people have been a part of Iran for a looonnnngggg time and will probably remain so. I think a more likely scenario would see Azerbaijan join Iran to create the beginnings of a 'greater Iran' since they are culturally similar. But of course this is all hypothetical what-ifs.

[CiviC]

This thread will be sure to attract Atabeg... and others... Way to go potentially starting a flame war...

Yes, it's a diversion to lure them out of Karabakh thread and to entrap them on another front

However, as for the topic at hand; It's possible, but I think unlikely. Those people have been a part of Iran for a looonnnngggg time and will probably remain so. I think a more likely scenario would see Azerbaijan join Iran to create the beginnings of a 'greater Iran' since they are culturally similar. But of course this is all hypothetical what-ifs.

Now, seriously, can we count forever for ethnic peace in Iran? Now under Islamist ideology, all ethnic conflicts are kept silent, as was the case in Soviet Union that under the Comunist ideology ethnic conflicts were silenced by a greater opression. But in the future if Iran will escape from the rule of Shiia clergy, Kurds, Azeris and other minorities would probably seek self determination.

I'm interested what Northern Azeris think of the Southern Azeris, should all Azeris form one independent nation?

[Djigit123]

However, as for the topic at hand; It's possible, but I think unlikely. Those people have been a part of Iran for a looonnnngggg time and will probably remain so. I think a more likely scenario would see Azerbaijan join Iran to create the beginnings of a 'greater Iran' since they are culturally similar. But of course this is all hypothetical what-ifs.

Please?

Azerbaijan are a Turkic nation, Iran Persian. There is no ethnical relation. Azerbaijan's people and nation are secular. And everything else. From what did you got into that conclusion?

And what you say is not true, first learn something about the situation. Every year thousounds gather in Castle of Babek to demonstrate for their self-idenity. That they are a Turkic people and Iran violates their rights.

[Djigit123]

You forgot 300 thousound Azeris in Georgia.

Azeris in Iran have already rised-up. The same we will see in Georgia.

I say why not.

[Tiberios]

Well it's possible. I think it depends on how vicious a potential insurgency would be and how much support it could gather from the international community.

[CiviC]

You forgot 300 thousound Azeris in Georgia.

Azeris in Iran have already rised-up. The same we will see in Georgia.

I say why not.

I see Azerbaidjanis (or sympathisers) have the habit on occupying themselves with tiny minorities in Georgia or Armenia while ignoring the millions of Azeris in Iran. Maybe it's easier to try to bully smaller countries?

[Djigit123]

I see Azerbaidjanis (or sympathisers) have the habit on occupying themselves with tiny minorities in Georgia or Armenia while ignoring the millions of Azeris in Iran. Maybe it's easier to try to bully smaller countries?

Ignoring? I said don't forget there aswell, if you talk about Greater Azerbaijan. Of course South Azerbaijan (Iran) are the first priority.

Tiny minority? They are the second largest group. Abkhazia and Ossetia together are not half of that population. Georgia have only 4 million population.

[CiviC]

Ignoring? I said don't forget there aswell, if you talk about Greater Azerbaijan. Of course South Azerbaijan (Iran) are the first priority.

Tiny minority? They are the second largest group. Abkhazia and Ossetia together are not half of that population. Georgia have only 4 million population.

But if it seems fair for you that even 284,000 Azeris (many living in Tbilissi, or not being a majority where they live) must join Azerbaidjan, why it's not fair for Armenians in NK to determine their fate as well?

Seeing an ethnic map of Iran we observe there is a great potential for ethnic conflict



Kurds and Azeris are the prime candidates to separatism.

[Djigit123]

But if it seems fair for you that even 284,000 Azeris (many living in Tbilissi, or not being a majority where they live) must join Azerbaidjan, why it's not fair for Armenians in NK to determine their fate as well?

They make majority of Kvemo-Kartli province and a good part of Kakheti (both on the borders with Azerbaijan).

Because the territority were given to Georgia during 1920.

[uzi716]

You forgot 300 thousound Azeris in Georgia.

Azeris in Iran have already rised-up. The same we will see in Georgia.

I say why not.

Ahmadinjed isn't Azeri...

but I don't see Azeris rising up against Iran, Iran is becoming a very strong nation and I can see them eventually taking over Azerbaijan depending on how things go with Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute.

[Djigit123]

Ahmadinjed isn't Azeri...

but I don't see Azeris rising up against Iran, Iran is becoming a very strong nation and I can see them eventually taking over Azerbaijan depending on how things go with Armenia and the Nagorno-Karabakh dispute.

Who said Ahmadinejad are Azeri? That monkey can be anything but Azeri.

Is that supposed to be a joke? We are talking about Azeris inside Iran. If they rise up one day, they will do it and Iran cannot do anything.

[Tiberios]

Who said Ahmadinejad are Azeri? That monkey can be anything but Azeri.

Is that supposed to be a joke? We are talking about Azeris inside Iran. If they rise up one day, they will do it and Iran cannot do anything.

and have you any proof of this? Aside from the picture of a group of nationalists that might only represent an minority among the Azeri's in Iran?

[Mr. Crow]

1.-do you know what Azerbaijan means? it means Protected by fire in Persian.

2.-how are azeris mis treated in Iran? the Supreme ruler, is an Azeri, the previous one was one to. how can they be miss treated when the boss is one of them?

3.- Azeris are between ethnic Persians and turks, they as have been stated here before changed their language due to seljuk influences.

4.-Saka are not iranian, if anything thay would be proto-iranian, more likley a diferent branch of the biger indo-iranian tree, any way they are not turks, turks look like the people of Turkmenistan.

[IMG]file:///tmp/moz-screenshot.png[/IMG]5.- to someone who posted before saying there was not a Turkish state before 600 ad, some consider the Hunic empire as the western Turkish empire.

some pictures to clarify
note:could somebody please put spoiler tags, i cant find the button.


turkmen, kazaks


Azeri girl



iranian


now, an Azeri (the previous supreme ruler of Iran), and an Englishmen, both indo-european

[Djigit123]

Babek's castle (Iranian Azeris).

[Gromovnik]

I think Iran, Azerbaijan and New Mexico should all become a part of Greater Armenia.

[dogukan]

One thing is certain. Iran is more Turkic than Turkey.

[Koelkastmagneet]

Awesome

Wait, you're just gonna replace it with Sunni aren't you?

[Manco]

Any potential for a Greater Azerbaidjan?

It's hard to be any less great of course.