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    What do you think about some european countries like denmark,sweden,britain still having kings or queens in this age?Would you like them to be turned into republics?

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    I wouldn't care, it's their choice. I like living in a republic though.
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    Since they are all constitutional monarchies, the royalty is a substitute for a president, but he holds much more respect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by torongill View Post
    Since they are all constitutional monarchies, the royalty is a substitute for a president, but he holds much more respect.
    Actually, no. In constitutional monarchies the king cannot hold partisan opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance-Corporal Jones View Post
    Actually, no. In constitutional monarchies the king cannot hold partisan opinions.
    and in a parliamental republic, where the president is a representative and a collective image of the nation, he can't either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lance-Corporal Jones View Post
    Actually, no. In constitutional monarchies the king cannot hold partisan opinions.
    But most Parliamentary systems with a President instead of a King (like Germany) expect the President to be a non-partisan figurehead/symbol of stability, just like a King in a parliamentary Monarchy. Why anyone would insist on electing their figurehead is beyond me.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfgang von Zweibrücken View Post
    But most Parliamentary systems with a President instead of a King (like Germany) expect the President to be a non-partisan figurehead/symbol of stability, just like a King in a parliamentary Monarchy. Why anyone would insist on electing their figurehead is beyond me.
    its funny too, ud at least think theyd disregard party if this were true (in germany) but they dont. at least on the news, u see which party all the candidates are affiliated with during the election.

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    If it's a cultural tradition they want to keep around and that they think justifies the money it costs, I don't really have any trouble with them. I actually think it's kind of cool.
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    Their choice, I wouldn't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    Their choice, I wouldn't like it.
    It's not like they hold any power, either. It's all in the hands of the elected executive.

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    I know, I still wouldn't like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    I know, I still wouldn't like it.
    Natural opinion since your country doesn't finds it's origins in pre-medieval time. No offence intended. Personally I don't like the idea of Scandinavian countries becoming republics. Republics just don't have the same class.

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    I am in favor of countries that have monarchies and want to keep them. It seems to have worked out good for them. I wish a new dyansty would come back to Russia myself (Constitutionally). I think it would be a unifying factor to have a Czar for all the multi-ethnic peoples of Russia as well as keep the elected execuative from usurping power. A Constitutional politically inactive Tsar in Russia would actually protect democratic process, as people would glorify him as they do in the UK instead of the elected execuative with power.



    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    I know, I still wouldn't like it.
    Well you're an American, its your national purpose not to like kings.
    Last edited by YuriVII; May 08, 2010 at 01:18 AM.

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    I supprt the monarchy in Denmark and in Europe in general. I wouldn't want any of the danish politicians becomming president, right wing or left wing. Denmark has always been a monarchy. Should it suddenly become a republic, it will be as weird as the US reinstaing a monarch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriVII View Post
    I am in favor of countries that have monarchies and want to keep them. It seems to have worked out good for them. I wish a new dyansty would come back to Russia myself (Constitutionally). I think it would be a unifying factor to have a Czar
    But you have one : Tzar Putin

    Quote Originally Posted by YuriVII View Post
    A Constitutional politically inactive Tsar in Russia would actually protect democratic process, as people would glorify him as they do in the UK instead of the elected execuative with power.
    I agree, a constitutional monarch would be a factor of equilibrium for Russia.

    Unfortunately, many people have this sterotype that see monarchy as undemocratic because monarchs are not elected, when in fact XXth century showed us that in most cases Republics were the perfect set up for dictatorship and tyrany.
    Last edited by CiviC; May 08, 2010 at 01:25 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CiviC View Post
    Unfortunately, many people have this sterotype that see monarchy as undemocratic because monarchs are not elected, when in fact XXth century showed us that in most cases Republics were the perfect set up for dictatorship and tyrany.
    And this is exactly why I find republics to be repugnant. Democracy and liberty are under assault by any government, of any type. However, only in a monarchy is there a Sovereign that can defend the people and their liberty from the politicians.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kralle18 View Post
    Should it suddenly become a republic, it will be as weird as the US reinstaing a monarch.
    Poor example, because America should reinstate the monarchy.
    Last edited by MaximiIian; May 08, 2010 at 10:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    And this is exactly why I find republics to be repugnant. Democracy and liberty are under assault by any government, of any type. However, only in a monarchy is there a Sovereign that can defend the people and their liberty from the politicians.
    Indeed. I agree with this completely.


    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    Poor example, because America should reinstate the monarchy.
    I seriously doubt it will happen though

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaximiIian View Post
    And this is exactly why I find republics to be repugnant. Democracy and liberty are under assault by any government, of any type. However, only in a monarchy is there a Sovereign that can defend the people and their liberty from the politicians.


    Poor example, because America should reinstate the monarchy.
    Yeah and fat women should wear bikinis. If someone so much as pretended to instate (not reinstate) a monarchy in America they would be executed on the spot.

    I do not think that existing european monarchies should be abolished because they hold no political power but make for good parades and tourism and whatnot. However, I think that those in support of monarchies (as in, would like to see them politically active) are romanticizing the role now that people are detached from the institution. In no way shape or form would a politically active monarchy help secure individual liberties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YuriVII View Post
    I am in favor of countries that have monarchies and want to keep them. It seems to have worked out good for them. I wish a new dyansty would come back to Russia myself (Constitutionally). I think it would be a unifying factor to have a Czar for all the multi-ethnic peoples of Russia as well as keep the elected execuative from usurping power. A Constitutional politically inactive Tsar in Russia would actually protect democratic process, as people would glorify him as they do in the UK instead of the elected execuative with power.
    Wouldn't that be a mockery? How can someone name himself czar if he isn't an Autocrat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pannonius View Post
    Wouldn't that be a mockery? How can someone name himself czar if he isn't an Autocrat?
    Tzar comes from the title Caesar (like Kaiser), and simply means Emperor. Autocrator would be a different title that means ruling by oneself.

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