The "Race" Issue in the U.S. Today

[bigfootedfred]

For the better half of the last century, non-white Americans had a pretty hard time.
the Issues of segregation, and political and lawful strife were brought to the forefront during the black civil rights movement.
which since then has become almost required learning in schools around the world.
The Black Civil Rights Movement

But where does the issue stand today?
The KKK for instance still exists, but is largely thought to be irrelevant.
But then we do have Clandestine neo-Nazi groups living on farms, within citys and linked together throughout the US.
Article on the "National Alliance"
Second Link
Map of Alliance Activity


After new Orleans the question of "race" has once again been thrown to the forefront.
and indeed, on the 10th anniversary of the million man march.
This was the main topic
Rally Condems Katrina Response

"I firmly believe if the people on those rooftops had blond hair and blue eyes and pale skin, something would have been done in a more timely manner,"

-worth noting the speaker of that comment Mr Farrakhan, is a controversial figure who has made anti-Semitic and homophobic statements in the past-

"We charge America with criminal neglect."

Where do race relations stand today?
As many other threads on here have shown, it is still a very BIG issue.
the comment by Bennett, for example sparked alot of anger and talk.
Then there was the Neo-Nazi march in Toledo that im sure most have heard about by now.
in case you haven't

Ohio Nazi March Sparks Violence
Another Source

Edit: For Clarity the main Questions are

Where do race relations stand today?
What are the main issues Surrounding Race in the US today?
What lies in the future for the issue of "Race" in the U.S.A.?

[PacSubCom]

I can't imagine that the relief efforts were sluggish or inefficient because of race. There were people fighting for their lives. Does anybody think the coast guard, FEMA, or Prez Bush were closing their eyes in front of Americans in dire need? I can't.

I can imagine that the preparations for the disaster were not enough because most of the people affected were poor at didn't have a lobby. I can imagine that the country wasn't prepared enough because for example the high water vehicles of the coast guard are in Iraq. I can imagine that Bush cut back on wetlands projects before the disaster, and that the politicians' incompetence was responsible on the day of disaster.

And I KNOW that 98% of the people I saw at the Dome or the convention centre were black. It so obvious there is a race element in all of this that it takes lots of self-deception in not acknowledging it. And that race element only became obvious for everyone to see on the day of disaster, its origins lie way before that, in the time of business as usual.

[danzig]

After new Orleans the question of "race" has once again been thrown to the forefront.
and indeed, on the 10th anniversary of the million man march.
This was the main topic
-worth noting the speaker of that comment Mr Farrakhan, is a controversial figure who has made anti-Semitic and homophobic statements in the past-

Farrakhan has no credibility he has also hinted the levees in new orleans were blown up to flood the city, he has no evidence but he uses the accusation and the failure of goverment to disprove the accusation as proof that it happened. Great logic eh?

the comment by Bennett, for example sparked alot of anger and talk.
Then there was the Neo-Nazi march in Toledo that im sure most have heard about by now.
in case you haven't

Not much of a rally just a group of idiots who then inspired a bigger group of idiots to go off and riot for really no good reason. Bennett's comment was taken out of context. Race relations in America are the same as always, most people get along fine but always small groups of morons. Id consider the cultural clashes of Muslims in Europe as a bigger problem then race relations in the US, the US's main problem is *class* (ie poverty)now a days not race. Doesnt mean some fools arent racist but they generally small groups, fyi FBI estimates KKK members at 3,000 thru out the country...basically nothing.

[bigfootedfred]

ok.

i see you taken my thread as an "attack" on your country.

this is not so.
i did not put bias in there, i am "asking" questions, not giving answers, the purpose is to get peoples veiwpoints.

Evdinelty you saw it as an attack on the US (your coments about muslims in europe) which it is not.

ive provided links, and havent censored any information.
i already noted that mr farkahan's credibilty was somewhat dented.

so kindly either give your veiws on the overall issue of "Race today in america"
or dont.

there is no need to defend your country from my post...as i am not attacking it!

some of you are so defensive i swear you dont even READ what people post!
the artciles i posted are modern media issues that probably everyone has seen, so if you wish, see this as your oppertunity to prove that these dont show the true situation, in other words provide evidnce to back up your posts, and provide a clear structure.

attacking my post as if it were an argument i was putting forawrd...is......well...it doesnt really do anyhting.
its not an argument im putting forward, its a topic of converstaion.

[wilpuri]

As long as races exist, there will be friction. That's my prediction. America is no different. It will be 'interesting' to see how the situation in the U.S.A developes, as a non-white majority is more than probable in the forseeable future.

[imb39]

As long as races exist, there will be friction. That's my prediction. America is no different. It will be 'interesting' to see how the situation in the U.S.A developes, as a non-white majority is more than probable in the forseeable future.

I'm waiting for Spainsh to take over. Actually, I'm dreading it - Imight end up having to learn another one. Being a typical Brit, in this regard, that is something I will find very difficult...

[danzig]

ok.

i see you taken my thread as an "attack" on your country.

Didnt take your post as an attack on America I simply see it as if someone posted about the Nazis problem in Germany today in 2005...a rather moot point. Im sure there are still some neonazis/skinheads in Germany running around today but they arent a major problem for Germany now a days are they? Well race is generally the same in the US, there are some racist idiots but for the most part its not an issue. So again I repeat the biggest problem inside America is poverty which because more blacks live in poverty then whites and other minority groups they tend to suffer the most from it but it is not inherently race related.

Evdinelty you saw it as an attack on the US (your coments about muslims in europe) which it is not.

Not at all just putting in perspective, I didnt take your post as an 'attack' at all so if you read that into my post you are mistaken. Im simply correcting what I believe is an incorrect perception of the US based on inconsequential links (one of which was written nearly 10 years ago). You are being a bit defensive You mention Farrakhan's credibility problem and then quote him as if anything he has to say is of any value when it simply isnt. The only reason I brought up the muslim issue is that from my point of view between race relations in the US and muslims intergrating fully into European/Western society I think that is a more important/pressing issue.

[bigfootedfred]

You mention Farrakhan's credibility problem and then quote him as if anything he has to say is of any value when it simply isnt..

yes....

i prefer to let people make up there minds on there OWN
not tell them what to think.
i didnt say what he had to say was vaild, i just quoted it and left it there for people to read.
i mentioned that fact that his credibilty was somewhat not very good, because i want people to determine for themselves what they think, and have vaild information to do it.

[danzig]

yes....

i prefer to let people make up there minds on there OWN
not tell them what to think.
i didnt say what he had to say was vaild, i just quoted it and left it there for people to read.
i mentioned that fact that his credibilty was somewhat not very good, because i want people to determine for themselves what they think, and have vaild information to do it.

Curious for argument sake, you seem to agree he has no credibility so why would you even use him and present him for 'people to make up their own mind'...Im just not sure what is the point? If you also thinks he isnt credible then why use him at all? I mean there was a point to you starting this thread right? I mean you were trying to get comments or feedback on it right? So Im just baffled why you would use someone like this.

f i was doing a thread on the NAZI's i would quote adolf hitler.....what the hell is the problem?

in fact the quote works in your favor

edit: lost my temper, sorry, just getting annoyed at people delibrately trying to de-rail the thread form its orginal purpose

Probably because its unclear what exactly the point of your thread is, what exactly are you looking for? You evidently want to talk about race relations in the US but yet use two rather poor examples. Yeah doing a thread on nazis and quoting Hitler would make sense but what you are doing is more like starting a thread on christianity and using Rev Fred Phelps

[JP226]

I think the race issue today is more political than anything else. Look at NO. Blaming the destruction of the levees on the whites to kill all blacks. Gimmie a break, if it was a determined effort, alot more than just 500 would ahve died in NO.

[Poltemly]

race is an issue in america that has been blown out of proportion by minorities. there is black history month, but if there was white or european history month, then the whites would be being racist. that is a double standard. they call themselves all this words like n-@#%# and wetback, but when we call them that, then it is a tragidy. why is that? if you ask me the racist in america are not mainly the whites, but the minorities.

[Lord Tomyris]

Don't they sometimes refer to each other as ':wub:' to remind one another of the bonds of slavery which once united blacks across the globe.

[invictus]

Well, im confused as to why race is an issue in the first place, because what qualifys as a race. I myself could care less about race, i see it as a tool to change peoples views, rather than for good. -Leon

[Farnan]

By race they mean color of your skin.

[invictus]

I have yet to understand how people put value on race, it is a vague concept used to identify people, that was made a long time ago and should no longer hold value. -Leon

[Poltemly]

i have no problem with race, but i do have problems with racists, and quite a few of the racists i know are blacks and hispanics against white people. now i will not say that i dont know white supremist, i live in a hick town in georgia, but they keep quiet about it most of the time. the blacks and hispanics are extremly vocal, shouting obsenities at each other, and recently attacking each other.

[invictus]

Well, i live out in California, we do not have problems with race at all. If we do, it is very little and not really known about. Maybe it is more towards conservatists areas that race seems to be an issue? -Leon

[JP226]

It's not a conservative or a liberal thing. The idea of thinking the south is full of racist is a myth. Sure you have your crazies here and there, but as a whole, racism is not a problem.

The problem is two fold.

So many minority groups, thanks to politics, believe they are entitled, they believe the world owes them soemthing. The hard fact of life is that it doesn't. When they miss out they cry racism. A politician comes along and plays on that, "you'll gt your entitlements if you vote for me." The politician gets elected and repeats the cycle to stay in office.

The other side of the problem are the jesse jacksons and al sharptons. These people have made a business out of race. They are paid to fight this creature that is virtually extinct. As soon as they "win," or slay the race dragon, they lose money, they are out of a job. So what do they do? The keep playing on the problem, to keep the money rolling while never really solving "anything." Arafat did the same damn thing withthe muslims in Palestine. Kept perpetuating the problem to keep the money rolling in. Anyone ever really question him on how he became a billionaire?

[Poltemly]

they minorities where i live think that the world should wipe their asses for them. they are always complaining about everydamned thing

[JP226]

Mr Farrakhan, was he the one who said he was abducted by aliens and then met with jesus? Also said that bush had bombs planted on the levees. Also said there is a massive conspiracy theory to commit genocide agains the african race. If he's the same guy, why not just quote a crazt bumbs thoughts on race as well?