Use of outdated old weapons

[Heathen Hammer]

I've recently read about a case, when during defense of Moscow in 1941 Soviets used a cannon from Napoleonic era that was taken from a local museum due to shortage of artillery.
Are there any other examples of old weapons used in more recent warfare?

[Slaytaninc]

When Ho Chi Minh was fighting the French, some of his men used flintlock muskets for a time.

[antaeus]

how about afghanistan... of all eras... they were using swords against the british... and all manner of matchlock, flintlock, etc etc guns... against their host of 20th century enemies they were still occasionally using muskets of all sorts...

you could also use the examples of israel and the arabs... the israelis were excellent at modernising old gear and the syrians used all sorts of bits and pieces... german ww2 era panzer iv tanks and shermans both saw combat into the 1960s and possibly later.

[Trax]

Well, there are stories of WWI tanks used in Afghanistan rather recently but those are probably urban legends.

[Farnan]

Iraqis and Afghan insurgents have used muzzle loaders against US or ISAF forces.

[s.rwitt]

How old were they though? I know people who hunt deer with muzzle loaders all the time, new ones though.

[Landsknecht_88]

The M2 Browning is still in service. Perhaps it has been slightly modernized though? Here is its Wikipedia article anyhow: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M2_Browning_machine_gun

When it comes to heavier equipment such as tanks, they can be used for training tank crews past their expiration dates. Also, I have read that T-34/85 M1944 turrets have been dismounted and used as static cannons along the Russian-Mongolian border. Whether they are still around I have no clue of, though.

[MathiasOfAthens]

How old were they though? I know people who hunt deer with muzzle loaders all the time, new ones though.

How is that even fun... you have to be pretty close to kill the animal and if you miss its gone. Your better off using a Bow and Arrow or spear than a musket.

[Hattushilish]

I'm really curious... What would happen if somebody loaded up the Great Turkish Bombard and managed a direct hit into the flank of, say, a T-72 tank at close range?

[Swagger]

I'm really curious... What would happen if somebody loaded up the Great Turkish Bombard and managed a direct hit into the flank of, say, a T-72 tank at close range?

byebye tank

[Trax]

I'm really curious... What would happen if somebody loaded up the Great Turkish Bombard and managed a direct hit into the flank of, say, a T-72 tank at close range?

Nothing?

[Helm]

I'm really curious... What would happen if somebody loaded up the Great Turkish Bombard and managed a direct hit into the flank of, say, a T-72 tank at close range?

It would be enough to put the tank out of action but I doubt they would get a chance to get a shot at it.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

I'm really curious... What would happen if somebody loaded up the Great Turkish Bombard and managed a direct hit into the flank of, say, a T-72 tank at close range?

it would destroy the tank. The projectile weighs about 3 1/2 tons. A 500 kg cylinder dropped from about 700 m will penetrate a Leopard II's roof. A T-72 has side armour roughly equivilant to a Leo's top armour.

[Trax]

it would destroy the tank. The projectile weighs about 3 1/2 tons. A 500 kg cylinder dropped from about 700 m will penetrate a Leopard II's roof. A T-72 has side armour roughly equivilant to a Leo's top armour.

A 63 cm stone ball weighs 3.5 tons?
Seriously?

[intel]

A 63 cm stone ball weighs 3.5 tons?
Seriously?

According to my calculator, 800 kilos at max*

*for cast iron.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

A 63 cm stone ball weighs 3.5 tons?
Seriously?

sorry did calculation wrong.

but it would still destroy the tank even at 500 kg.

[Lysimachus]

sorry did calculation wrong.

but it would still destroy the tank even at 500 kg.

I think stone would only have a negligible effect on a tank (which is constructed of metal). It would have been effective against the walls of the time since they would be constructed of stone or brick, and the impact of the stone would smash through it, or break a segment off upon collision. The problem with using a stone ball against a tank would be the massive surface area. The same applies for maces, they're made to bludgeon or knock out the target rather than actually penetrate it. Since the energy of the cannon is focused over a large area rather than a sharp point (like a sword), no penetration of the metal plating would occur.

[Nikitn]

it would destroy the tank. The projectile weighs about 3 1/2 tons. A 500 kg cylinder dropped from about 700 m will penetrate a Leopard II's roof. A T-72 has side armour roughly equivilant to a Leo's top armour.

Do they teach science in USA???

F=Acceleration*mass

When shot from a cannon the stone ball is losing acceleration not gaining it like if it was thrown from 700m downwards.

So no the T-72 would easily survive.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Do they teach science in USA???

F=Acceleration*mass

When shot from a cannon the stone ball is losing acceleration not gaining it like if it was thrown from 700m downwards.

So no the T-72 would easily survive.

it's still going fast enough, and it weighs loads.


If it weighs more than 500 kg it's gonna that tank up real good.

Do you realise how weak the armour of the T-72 is? The T-72 isn't comparable to any modern tank. Its armour is equivilant to abrams top armour, which is destroyable by a 500 kg cylinder dropped from about 700 m.

[Nikitn]

it's still going fast enough, and it weighs loads.


If it weighs more than 500 kg it's gonna that tank up real good.

Do you realise how weak the armour of the T-72 is? The T-72 isn't comparable to any modern tank. Its armour is equivilant to abrams top armour, which is destroyable by a 500 kg cylinder dropped from about 700 m.

what the are you talking about? first of all you are ing around. A 800kg stone ball shot from a 15th century cannon wont even dent any modern tank. Except if it was shot from 10m or something.

That "cylinder falling from 700 meters" is so irrelevant I want 2 cry.