Is your first loyalty to the EU or to your own member country?

[Richard]

I'm interested to hear. Similar vein to my EU or Commonwealth thread for Brits, and after reading some comments from Europhile types I wanted to see how common their views are.

[Thorn777]

My own, surprising huh?

[♔Goodguy1066♔]

Seriously, what'd you think?

[Richard]

Seriously, what'd you think?

I'm expecting majority "my own", but the purpose of the thread is that I'd like to determine it a bit beyond anecdotal evidence and guesswork based off it.

[hellheaven1987]

To Russia.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Seriously, this is silly, mate, no offence. Only one or two euro-fanatics will vote "to the EU" (You there, Darsh? )

[hellheaven1987]

Seriously, this is silly, mate, no offence. Only one or two euro-fanatics will vote "to the EU" (You there, Darsh? )

To Darsh EU is France, so he can be loyal to both.

[iudas]

Neither?

[SonOfOdin]

Neither?

Welcome to my world mate.
I don't love my country and I don't love the EU
I want to go to Germany or Scotland or Ireland or Central-East Europe or something

[CiviC]

You must see Europeans as the Ancient Greeks. In relation with other Greeks, Greeks were loyal to their polis first and formost, but when confronted with barbarians they were Greeks first and foremost.

[hellheaven1987]

You must see Europeans as the Ancient Greeks. In relation with other Greeks, Greeks were loyal to their polis first and formost, but when confronted with barbarians they were Greeks first and foremost.

And it was fine to use barbarians' money to confront other Greeks, I see.

[Treize]

I only care for other Eurpean countries because we need them for our trade based economy. For the rest only a minority of the other EU countries have my sympathy.


@CiviC

Non-Europeans are barbarians...
That is not true.

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

Alot of Europeans are barbarians too.

[skag]

I'm the first one to vote yes ?

Well I vote yes, simply because my city is strongly linked to the EU, and if it was not there, that city would be meaningless, and poorer than what it is

Otherwise, I would anyway vote YES, simply because if EU is ok, countries in it are ok
If EU sink, all countries will sink (exept maybe UK, and maybe germany but I don't think so)
while the opposite is not specially true

So actually, it's stupid to vote "my country first", simply because your country is nothing without EU ...
The economical way of wroking should makes the poll favorable to "EU first"
But your logic is underestimated by your primitive nationalism

bad for you

[H.r.E.]

guess what ? my country


actually germany survived economically without the eu and guess what the other members too

[Tiberios]

My own country of course.

[skag]

yeah LOL

Because you think it would be the same without EU ? lol how naive you are
situation would be worst

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

yeah LOL

Because you think it would be the same without EU ? lol how naive you are
situation would be worst

OK, let's see who the naïve one is, Skaggy: prove your assertion. Let's see if your "primitive europhilia" (as a response to your "primitive nationalism") goes beyond blind, nigh-religious faith. Prove how Germany would be worse off without the EU.

[CiviC]

OK, let's see who the naïve one is, Skaggy: prove your assertion. Let's see if your "primitive europhilia" (as a response to your "primitive nationalism") goes beyond blind, nigh-religious faith. Prove how Germany would be worse off without the EU.

Ok lets say each European nation is on its own and turns to protectionism, I want to see how Germans can sell their fine products if they are overtaxed. Who would buy a BMW o Mercedes (cars already expensive) if they would have a 25% import tax? And how Germans would concur the cheap Chinese products without the protective economic safe heaven of EU. EU is a bubble under which German economy grows without fear of parasites. Without Eu I doubt Germans could manatain their high slaries as their products would become noncompetitive.

P.S. When I said "Barbarians" I used it in a figurative way (or the original sense of "foreigner"), not implying "the others" being some unwashed savages.

[Lance-Corporal Jones]

Ok lets say each European nation is on its own and turns to protectionism,

Boom. That's the sound of your entire point exploding.

Not being in the EU doesn't mean not being in international free trade areas.

[CiviC]

Boom. That's the sound of your entire point exploding.

Ha ha (it doesn't worth a third ha)

Not being in the EU doesn't mean not being in international free trade areas.

Or it can mean exactly that. Before entering EU, EU products in Romania were more expensive then now.