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    Default 1963 goals of the communist party, successful, unsucessful, real or hoax?

    I was cruising the internet a while back and found the 1963 communist party goals. It's amazing how many of these goals came true. What's even more amazing is that these goals came true by one political party, the democrats. Goal 15 stated that they, the communists, must "Capture one or both of the political parties in the US."

    So my question is, is this just a coincidence? A natural evolution of society as it wanes left and right over time, or did they reall achieve their goals. Are too many of these things "coincidences" to have been accomplished by chance? Were the communists successful?

    here's the list

    1963 Communist Goals
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    The communist goals were entered into the Congressional record by Albert Herlong, Jr. (a Floridian who served in Congress from 1949-69).

    1) US acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

    2) US willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

    3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength."

    4) Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

    5) Extension of long term loans to Russia and Soviet Satellites.

    6) Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

    7) Grant recognition of Red China, and admission of Red China to the UN.

    8) Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the Germany question by free elections under supervision of the UN.

    9) Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the US has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

    10) Allow all Soviet Satellites individual representation in the UN.

    11) Promote the UN as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the UN as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo).

    12) Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

    13) Do away with loyalty oaths.

    14) Continue giving Russia access to the US Patent Office.

    15) Capture one or both of the political parties in the US.

    16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

    18) Gain control of all student newspapers.

    19) Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

    20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

    21) Gain control of key positions in radio, TV & motion pictures.

    22) Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substitute shapeless, awkward, and meaningless forms.

    23) Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

    24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

    25) Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography, and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

    26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

    27) Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."

    28) Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

    29) Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

    30) Discredit the American founding fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man".

    31) Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture": Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

    32) Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture - - education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

    33) Eliminate all laws or procedures, which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

    34) Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

    35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

    36) Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

    37) Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

    38) Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

    39) Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

    40) Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

    41) Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

    42) Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special interest groups should rise up and make a "united force" to solve economic, political, or social problems.

    43) Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

    44) Internationalize the Panama Canal.

    45) Repeal the Connally Reservation so the US can not prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction over nations and individuals alike.


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    More Information about Albert Herlong, Jr.:

    His bio:
    http://www.lib.usf.edu/spccoll/guide/f/flarep/hh43.html

    The goals that he read were taken from "The Naked Communist" by Cleon Skousen, which can be purchased from Amazon:
    http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1568493673/

    Other Links:
    http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm
    Last edited by JP226; October 15, 2005 at 11:51 AM.

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    Pretty interesting stuff, had me smiling all the way till it stated the marriage thing, that lost it for me, but the rest are good. -Leon

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    Are you sure these are legitamate? Not some CIA hoax. The CIA did buy the rights to the movie Animal Farm and use it as anti-communist propaganda, so its not beyond them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guderian
    Are you sure these are legitamate? Not some CIA hoax. The CIA did buy the rights to the movie Animal Farm and use it as anti-communist propaganda, so its not beyond them.

    What do you think?, doesn't this sound like serious proposals to you:

    3) Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the US would be a demonstration of "moral strength."

    16) Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

    17) Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for Socialism, and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in text books.

    20) Infiltrate the press. Get control of book review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.

    24) Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

    26) Present homosexuality, degeneracy, and promiscuity as "normal, natural, and healthy."

    35) Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

    etc. etc.
    These sure sound to me like the kind of words a real communist would use



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    Are you sure these are legitamate? Not some CIA hoax. The CIA did buy the rights to the movie Animal Farm and use it as anti-communist propaganda, so its not beyond them.
    have you read animal farm?

    heh that's like saying the CIA stole the movie rights to uncle tom's cabin to make a antislavery piece of propaganda

    From what I understand it's pretty legitimate. It's on congressional record

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    Woa....so were communist and do not know it!!!! COOLNESS, but i cannot support the marriage thing, never will, i love my wife too much, so if a civil war broke out, (have no idea id ever say this) ill defend democracy over communism. GAH!!!!! -Leon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wikipedia
    The book was the basis of an animated feature film in 1955 (Britain's first full-length animated movie), directed by John Halas and Joy Batchelor and quietly commissioned by the American CIA, which softened the theme of the story slightly by reducing the role of Moses, the character representing religion, and adding an epilogue where the other animals successfully revolt against the pigs.
    Seriously dude im not kidding.
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    again, have you read the book? It's about the communist revolution.

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    Yeah i have but the point im trying to make is that whole manifesto seems to depict the communist party as some sort of evil organisation hell bent on destroying America through espionage. It sounds like something the CIA of the 60's would've done to undermine the communist party.
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    Nobody is argung ideology Erik. I'm sure there is another thread for it, or just give this one some tme and it will degenerate to a commie vs cap thread.

    The thread is about was the communist party of 1963 successful in implementing these goals, or was it just a natural evolution of politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JP226
    Nobody is argung ideology Erik. I'm sure there is another thread for it, or just give this one some tme and it will degenerate to a commie vs cap thread.

    The thread is about was the communist party of 1963 successful in implementing these goals, or was it just a natural evolution of politics.
    I didn't try to discuss ideology, just pointing out that this is a hoax.

    Communists aren't going to say things in the line of "we are going to spread false propaganda to trick people so we can play out our evil plot"
    A communist might want to do these things, but he would never say it like that.

    I can't see how people can beleive this is anything but a hoax.



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    The thread is about was the communist party of 1963 successful in implementing these goals, or was it just a natural evolution of politics.
    But the thing is I can't take this thread seriously until you can prove that these were the Communist Party's actual goals and not some propaganda effort by the American government/cia/whatnot. The way it is written is what makes me doubt it's authencity for example read Eriks quote.
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    Many of those were communist goals all over the world. Control of education is a universal communist strategy, which has been completed here in Italy, for example.

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    you are making a huge assumption that a political party follows an ideology.

    it comes from "Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35"

    here's the best site I could find for it:
    http://www.ccboe.org/wph/powell/Communist%20Goals.pdf

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    I've just done some research on the Communist Party of America and it does seem like they were puppets of the Soviet Union, so it does sound more likely. One question JP266 was this what the us Congress thought were the communist goals or was it actually obtained from the communist party?

    [EDIT] Sorry JP didn't see your linky, looking up info on Naked Communist
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    Well these "communist goals" were apparently taken from the book Naked Communist by Cleou Skousen which is basically anti marxist, anti communist propaganda. Well thats what i got from the preview i read on Amazon.

    Preview of the book

    Here a reader review of the book

    Quote Originally Posted by Cody Carlson
    W. Cleon Skousen's book 'The Naked Communist' is one of the finest works ever written on the subject of the communist conspiracy and should be read by everyone who loves the United States of America. Skousen does a wonderful job exposing the lies that communists have used since Karl Marx first wrote the communist manifesto. The book was written in the early sixties and it's amazing to see just how many predictions Skousen made that have come true. Skousen also points out the many flaws that has left the United Nations virtually powerless to stop aggressor nations. But perhaps the most interesting facts that Skousen sheds light on are the circumstances surrounding Roosevelt's concessions to Stalin and Truman's concessions to Mao. These 'Appeasers' made the same mistakes that Chamberlin made in his dealing's with Hitler in the 1930's. Many are quick to dismiss the spectre of Communism since the end of the cold war but America must remain ever vigilant and always beware the influences of the EXTREME left.
    Another review:

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave "the Penstemon" Liberal Warrior of the West
    Take McCarthyism and add a religious basis for conspiracy theories and you get one of the most embarrassing books and authors to have ever graced a so-called University. W. Cleon Skousen like his mentor Ezra Taft Benson saw communism in every kind of international organization and in every action by the federal government. Blaming the loss of eastern europe and China to the communists on Roosevelt and Truman, he doesn't give any indication how a "right-thinking" conservative would have stopped those occurences.

    Clingon Skousen's mistrust of everything liberal comes from a piece of fiction written by Joseph Smith called "The Book of Mormon" where "secret combinations" and "the Gadianton Robbers" through covert ops undermine a fictional tribe of American Israelites called the "Nephites". Therefore, he sees conspiracies from the most mundane and justified uses of public funds as "socialist plots".

    Clingon himself took his paranoia to new heights when he started spying on his fellow professors at Brigham Young University who might have had a liberal bent (see "Mormon Hierarchy Extensions of Power" by D. Michael Quinn). Yeah, Clingon is a real lover of freedom. Freedom to do exactly what his prophet tells you to do or else. I will admit that Clingon has been effective in taking Mormon myths and tying them to right-wing political dogmas such as strict interpretation of the constitution. The Republican Party in Utah has benefitted greatly from the writings and rantings of this paranoid and delusional fellow. However, no non-Mormon professors take his writings seriously and unless you believe in polygamy, jewish indians, magic underwear and blood atonement, you shouldn't either.
    Yet another review: (I like this one best )

    Quote Originally Posted by a reader
    Anyone who needs a good laugh should read this book written by one of the premier "Communist Conspiracy" wackos of the Cold War age. I'm sure it's a favorite of the right wing guys who put this book under their beds, so they can check for commies at the same time they do their bedtime reading. You'll find the famous "1963 Communist Goals", which are routinely passed of by current talk radio commie hunters like Glenn Beck and Pat Gray as actually being written by communists, was actually written by this old FBI Cold Warrior and originally posted in this book. Holy "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" Batman!
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    Either way, 40 of these goals have come true. 35 to 40 of 45 goals that was predicted back in the 60's.

    Is this an act or coincident? I think the question can still stand.

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    But whose goals are they? They certainly weren't the communist parties...Goals invented by some paranoid author.

    Yes they have come true and i belive as you said that these are part of the natural evolution, while i don't agree with alot of what communism is about i have no doubt the socialist side is what is good for us in the long run. And i think many people have come to realise this as well.

    But please don't try to pass off these goals as communist goals because that would be like someone trying to pass of Hustler magazine reader letters as the goals of the Bible.
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    This isn't even remotely believable.

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    JP I think you should change the title.
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