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    Default Questions and observations

    Hello people

    I played an earlier version of RS for a while back, then had a brief spell with SPQR but didn't like it too much and now I'm back in the game with the latest RS version, which would be 1.6 I think. I'm absolutely loving it, played the Romans for a while, played a few other factions for a few turns just to use a phalanx for a change, I loaded an older roman campaign which i suspect was M/M and accidentally triggered the Imperial reforms, thinking I was triggering a Marian reform, while I was just starting to use my first Marian Legions out of Rome, i went from filthy rich to bankrupt in a few turns and the micromanagement as well as the easy difficulty made it boring, so I started afresh.

    So it's firmly back to Rome on a H/H campaign where I'll try to be slightly historical and rational about stuff.

    Now, there are a few things I would like some feedback about, so here goes:

    -Reforms:
    The early legions were citizens who put on their Hastati/Principe/Triarii gear when a battle was to be fought. Because every neighbour and his dog wanted a piece of Rome, there was always a battle to be fought and the armies of Rome were active all the time, all over the place, they got slightly more standardized by the senate and gradually, from around 217BC / 518AUC, the hast/princ/tria distinction got blurred into the general 'legionair'. So VE legions appeared from around 510 AUC which usually applies in-game because I build the relevant barracks in Rome by that time.

    these legions do their stuff for a long long time until Marius comes along around 628 AUC and raises unique Legions on his own. These are the first 'consular' legions and the in-game application is when Rome builds the highest tier barracks which lets you train the unique 7th and 11th legions. The rest of the empire is by that time still using the good old VE type legions.

    All the equites, velites, town watch (roman light infantry) etc are still recruitable all over the place, you simply get your first Named and Numbered Legion.

    So far, so good, I assume I am correct up to this point, (please tell me if I'm not).
    But now the misty part comes, I've browsed the forums and from what I gathered, you are supposed to use these Marian legions for a while without triggering the Imperial Reforms by building the imperial palace in either Mediolaneum, Patavium of Tarantum or Byzantium. So the player should gradually upgrade a few other 'starting' settlements like Arretium and Capua, which will release the Numbered Legions from those bases. Without triggering the imp. reforms, you could raise the 13 numbered Legions which are in the readme as the first consular legions.

    Is that correct?

    50-100 years later, you could 'trigger' the reforms and that's where all the Auxilias and all the numbered Legions magically appear.

    The reason why i'm unclear is that I triggered said reforms in about 540 AUC im my previous campaign, with only 2 marian (consular?) legions in the field and i got befuddled by the huge number of legions suddenly available, mixing up both marian and imperial legions which gave me two 3rd legions etc

    so playing historically, it's VE legions from around 510 AUC and the 7th and 11th legion from Rome at around 620 AUC (No ingame message appears about any sort of reform, you just recruit a unique legion, yay)
    more numbered legions from Italy as time drags on and 100 years later the full-on ingame 'happening' of the Imperial Reforms (the one where the game tells you: Reform)

    -Terrain
    All the boring flat fields of brown or green are replaced by wonderful rolling terrain and beautifully diverse battlefields now, this is obviously a fantastic thing.
    But, I am finding that the AI considers the terrain perfect for hill-defense. Every single time. Whether they outnumber me or not, whether I have a ranged advantage or not. After dozens and dozens of battles, only in a handful were the AI armies coming at me. The vast majority starts with me watching 15 minutes of time compressed boredom where my whole legion has to march to the far end of the map, where the huge AI army sits idly on the biggest hill they could find.

    Another slight problem: the whole battlefield is considered 'woody' so every unit is almost always hiding and my artillery can't be deployed anywhere except it's starting position. I understand that this is an issue with tree radius in some file somewhere but I can't remember where i read that.

    Am i the only one having these issues? And can they easily be fixed?

    That's it for now, this thing has become hugely longwinded and long but I'll post it nonetheless.

    Any help/advice/confirmation/correction/comment is appreciated, thanks.

    Bosje out
    Last edited by Bosje; May 02, 2010 at 08:23 AM.

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    sorry but i would like to join you with another question about reform and legions:

    I have just build a Imperial Palace in Tarentum so, imperial reform is done; i recive the message and i think is all ok.

    But there is a question: we have to type of "imperial legions": this kind of them (sorry i have stolen pic )

    http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6...9382285cq4.png

    and this:

    http://www4.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php...852e75225g.jpg

    The question is:

    Why i am only able to train the last kind of legions in greece (thessalonica i think) and in all the other cities i can recruit only the first type?
    I'm quite sure i have in all cities the Army barracks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyVodkeR View Post
    sorry but i would like to join you with another question about reform and legions:

    I have just build a Imperial Palace in Tarentum so, imperial reform is done; i recive the message and i think is all ok.

    But there is a question: we have to type of "imperial legions": this kind of them (sorry i have stolen pic )

    http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6...9382285cq4.png

    and this:

    http://www4.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php...852e75225g.jpg

    The question is:

    Why I am only able to train the last kind of legions in greece (thessalonica i think) and in all the other cities i can recruit only the first type?
    I'm quite sure i have in all cities the Army barracks...
    They are not different kinds of legions, they are different legions. The first is I Germanica (I think) and the second is XV Primagenia. First is recruitable in Ariminum?) and second in Carthage (and somewhere else, Jerusalem maybe?).

    You can recruit named legions in settlements with an (L) after their name, and the two Praetorian legions in Rome after you have the Castra Roma and Latifundia in Rome.

    Some of the numbered legion are recruitable in more than one city. Jerusalem can recruit two Legions. AFAIK it's the only place other than Rome that can recruit two separate legions, but there are a few - III Gallica (?) that can be recruited in more than one city which is why you can end up with duplicates if you are not careful. III Gallica is recruited in Genoa and Narbo Martius for example.

    Thessalonica's legion is V Macedonica (I think) - not looking at the game now so this why I'm not positive about that.

    You can only recruit named and numbered legions when an Imperial Palace is built in Patavium, Mediolanum, Tarentum or Byzantium. Once constructed, you can not recruit VE legions, just numbered or Auxilia.

    The Auxilia legions depend on region, so you get Thracia, Alpinorum, Parthorum, Aegyptia, Gallorum, Belgae amongst others depending where they are recruited.

    Does that help?
    Last edited by Ybbon; May 02, 2010 at 03:44 PM. Reason: clarity

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    Bosje, in relation to you not being able to position your siege equipment/artillery if you have more than one and select them all at the same time you can kind of move them around a bit as a group, but i dont think it works very often if you are just trying to move one at a time. It will be fixed in RS2 i think, so if you can wait till it is released your problem may be solved.


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    Quote Originally Posted by General Brittanicus View Post
    Bosje, in relation to you not being able to position your siege equipment/artillery if you have more than one and select them all at the same time you can kind of move them around a bit as a group, but i dont think it works very often if you are just trying to move one at a time. It will be fixed in RS2 i think, so if you can wait till it is released your problem may be solved.
    Teaming them up with some archers did the trick! i can deploy them anywhere now, provided that it's slighty open terrain of course
    thanks a lot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ybbon66 View Post
    They are not different kinds of legions, they are different legions. The first is I Germanica (I think) and the second is XV Primagenia. First is recruitable in Ariminum?) and second in Carthage (and somewhere else, Jerusalem maybe?).

    You can recruit named legions in settlements with an (L) after their name, and the two Praetorian legions in Rome after you have the Castra Roma and Latifundia in Rome.

    Some of the numbered legion are recruitable in more than one city. Jerusalem can recruit two Legions. AFAIK it's the only place other than Rome that can recruit two separate legions, but there are a few - III Gallica (?) that can be recruited in more than one city which is why you can end up with duplicates if you are not careful. III Gallica is recruited in Genoa and Narbo Martius for example.

    Thessalonica's legion is V Macedonica (I think) - not looking at the game now so this why I'm not positive about that.

    You can only recruit named and numbered legions when an Imperial Palace is built in Patavium, Mediolanum, Tarentum or Byzantium. Once constructed, you can not recruit VE legions, just numbered or Auxilia.

    The Auxilia legions depend on region, so you get Thracia, Alpinorum, Parthorum, Aegyptia, Gallorum, Belgae amongst others depending where they are recruited.

    Does that help?

    Yep, your explaination is very helpfull, thank you .
    But i think that i'm missing something... let's see if i have understand.

    In italy i will never be able to train a legion like the "macedonian" one... i intend with the same shields (nont the colour, just the shape) etc... so they are both imperial legions, but their equipment and their "look" are different because they are trained in different regions.

    I tought that the "second diplayed" legion was a kind of evolution of the first... but i'm wrong... do I?

    P.S. of course I mean their "shape, equipment, etc.., not the legion itself

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    hmm so it has nothing to do with a simple 'tree radius' value which i could edit?

    it's actually sort of realistic to not have those overpowered onagers on the top of an Alp, but still...

    as for the legions: my problem is that the named and numbered legions are NOT only available after you build the imperial palace in patavium etc.
    that's where i went wrong in my previous campaign, thinking i was getting my first legions but accidentally triggering the IMPERIAL reforms in Tarantum.

    i could build an imperial palace in Capua, with the barracks, and recruit Legio VI Ferrata from there, which would be my third named legion (after the 7th and 11th out of Rome)
    So THAT is the MARIUS Reform, not an ingame event, just the ability to recruit one of those 13 shiny new legions, who serve next to VE legions from less advanced barracks
    the IMPERIAL Reform (with in-game message and overhauled recruitment qeues) should be at least 100 years later

    the problem being that by the time Rome is building the 7th and 11th legion, I am already building an imperial palace in Tarantum which means i sort of skipped the whole Marius-phase

    isn't this observation correct???

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