Zeitgeist -- your view on it?

[Landsknecht_88]

I'm not going to make a very lengthy opening post, mostly since I'm not interested in debating every aspect of Zeitgeist (such as 9/11), but rather the economical aspect. However, feel free to comment on any aspect you like.

Overall, my view on Zeitgeist is that it is filled with BS, along with obvious facts that are heavily biased.

The part that interests me the most is about the monetary system. Zeitgeist states that corporations are greedy, and that's a fair point. But then it becomes utterly absurd. The concept of money is more or less criticized because it is created "out of thin air", and the author proceeds to mention that money in itself has no worth since you can't consume it. I begin to wonder if he's even aware of that it is used as a means of exchange.

Then there are other points. For instance, the free market is criticized because it allows major corporations to drive local ones out of business. This one, like every other point, stinks of sentimentality, but it is at least reasonable to bring up. But what I found absolutely ludicrous, was how the author criticizes corporations for using machinery to replace human labor, and then shortly thereafter proceeding to mention that it is technology humanity has to thank for its comfort; I wonder on what technological level humanity would have been if idiots like Mr. Joseph --that seems to reject machinery if it replaces human labor-- had been in control.

[Alkarin]

I believe you just mis-interpreted what he was saying.

1. It never said Corporations are greedy, it says a corporation is inherently a negative effect upon society because by law it has to bring profits to its share holders, which to maintain such an act it takes all mathematically logical choices, and not moral ones.

2. That was not his point at all, he was stating that currency is artificially controlled since it is a representation of gold. The more money you make the more the rest of it is not as valuable, IE inflation

3. He does not criticize a corporations use of mechanized labour, he was pointing out a corporations societal flaws. Since in a capitalist Society a person NEEDS a job, and a very common and abundant job is working in a factory or something else that is replacable with the advancement of technology, and when the corporation indeed replaces that worker that worker is now laid off. While his end solution is to instead of having humans work such jobs give them free time and leisure instead of working a pointless job that can be worked by a machine. While in a Capitalist Economy, its a 'job sink' if you will, a way to create meaningless jobs because a person needs a job, And instead of just making people work less, you create meaningless jobs.

[Amagi]

Zeitgeist is pro- NWO propaganda.
But the monetary system´s flaws are pretty well displayed-its the best part of the film.
With regard to the US, its pretty well known by now, that the US government borrows the Dollar from a private institution- the FED. Every dollar the US hands out, needs to be repaid to these banksters- with interest.
Thats why the US will never be debt free, because there is not so much money in existance as it owes to the private banksters.

Germany had the same problem in Weimar, where the Reichsbank was also privately run exactly like the FED, hence Hitler did the only thing plausible: He kicked them out.

Hitler´s freedom from debt slavery

Comment Michael Rivero The "Clash of civilizations" is not about religion, but about banking. How Hitler rebuilt Germany's economy was simple. He abandoned the fractional reserve banking system that was crippling post-WW1 Germany and instituted a currency with a fixed unit of value. Oddly enough, it was a financial system not very different from that of the United States prior to 1913. This allowed Germany to rebuild quickly, but was of course a direct threat to the bankers who had grown rich and powerful with legalized counterfeiting. This is the reason that "war" (actually a boycott; see attached) was "declared" against Germany.

The bankers feared that people everywhere would see the immediate advantages of a non- reserve monetary system and force a change in their own countries. Germany, specifically the German economy, had to be wrecked in order to preserve the fractional reserve banking system everywhere else. Oddly enough, when Putin came to power in Russia, he did pretty much the same thing; kicking out the oligarchs and restructuring Russia's economic system, and the end result is that Russia has paid off all her debts early (while the USA, still enslaved to the Federal Reserve, sinks deep into debt every single day), and not surprisingly, enmity against Russia by nations under the control of reserve banking systems and bankers is on the increase. The same "war of money" underlies the push for Islamophobia. It's not really about religion but about the conflict between compounded interest versus loan-plus-fixed-fee financing.
Michael Rivero What Really Happened
wrh@whatreallyhappened.com

http://www.rense.com/general83/dett.htm


Zeitgeist throws a bone of truth in- the issues with our monetray system- and then tries to lure the viewer in direction of a one world communist government. The falsifications with regard to religion in order to destroy it remind all to clear of communist soviet russia´s attempts to liquidate religion.

Zeitgeist promotes an atheist, communist world state.

[Valentin the II]

Oh wow! amagi is a riot.
Do we have like a "conspiracy nut" quota in TWC, or what?

To any one that doesn't know, the people in this thread are referring to the the mother of all conspiracy documentaries, not the actual "Spirit of the times".
On topic, besides the portion of the film where he talks about the monetary system and the "assassins", it's two hours of BS culminating in the most ridiculous, impractical and outright stupid ending/solution ever consieved by conspiracy nuts (and that says some thing). I especially love the part where they say there shouldn't be laws and law enforcement and that every thing should be controlled by machines.

[Amagi]

World is full of weirdo conspiracy theorists mate, some even say the US is in Iraq because of a lie, that there were no WMDs, do you believe that ?! Fools I tell ya.

20 years ago rumours went, that there was an ultra secret secret service nobody must know about it, I think they called it "NSA" or something, can you believe that? Hahaha those stupid nuts.

They make up the weirdest theories I tell ya, stuff like the Iran Contra affair where the CIA was smuggling drugs into the US, Operation Northwoods where they wanted to explode a plane over cuba to gain support for an invasion there, conspiracy jerks I tell ya...







Now hand me another cup of that delicious ignorance please.

[Valentin the II]

World is full of weirdo conspiracy theorists mate, some even say the US is in Iraq because of a lie, that there were no WMDs, do you believe that ?! Fools I tell ya.

20 years ago rumours went, that there was an ultra secret secret service nobody must know about it, I think they called it "NSA" or something, can you believe that? Hahaha those stupid nuts.

They make up the weirdest theories I tell ya, stuff like the Iran Contra affair where the CIA was smuggling drugs into the US, Operation Northwoods where they wanted to explode a plane over cuba to gain support for an invasion there, conspiracy jerks I tell ya...







Now hand me another cup of that delicious ignorance please.

Yes the US was involved in numerous shady dealings in the past, but that doesn't mean every thing the government/secret service does is a conspiracy. Instead of isolating each suspicious incident and analysing it from a neutral perspective you immediately assume the "man" is up to no good and go from there. This scatter-shot method results in dozens of made up "conspiracies" for every real one, a lot of people just crying wolf about every thing the government does and quoting Hitler like he's a trustworthy unbiased source. And you wonder why people cant take you seriously?

Oh and believe me, I'm not ignorant. Just sensible.

[Landsknecht_88]

I believe you just mis-interpreted what he was saying.

1. It never said Corporations are greedy, it says a corporation is inherently a negative effect upon society because by law it has to bring profits to its share holders, which to maintain such an act it takes all mathematically logical choices, and not moral ones.

And it is this greed we have to thank our economical developments for. It provides an incentive. The thought that an economy based on moral would work is ridiculous, because it would be dependent on the majority of the society to more or less be indoctrinated since birth.

2. That was not his point at all, he was stating that currency is artificially controlled since it is a representation of gold. The more money you make the more the rest of it is not as valuable, IE inflation

But that's not a problem so long as the currency is on even terms with other currencies across the World that doesn't really matter, does it? And along the increase of the money supply, the wages are also increased, so it is not as if the workers of today are suffering because the dollar's worth less than a century ago.

3. He does not criticize a corporations use of mechanized labour, he was pointing out a corporations societal flaws.

He doesn't? Well, it certainly seemed like it.

Since in a capitalist Society a person NEEDS a job, and a very common and abundant job is working in a factory or something else that is replacable with the advancement of technology, and when the corporation indeed replaces that worker that worker is now laid off.

In what economy wouldn't people have to work? People want services and consumer goods, and I'm sure that most consider working worthwhile for those luxuries.

While his end solution is to instead of having humans work such jobs give them free time and leisure instead of working a pointless job that can be worked by a machine.

Like what jobs, assuming you are speaking of the Western World? In the Third World people are carrying out manual labor that could be accomplished by machines, but that's simply because they are so cheap labor that they are cheaper than maintaining machines.

While in a Capitalist Economy, its a 'job sink' if you will, a way to create meaningless jobs because a person needs a job, And instead of just making people work less, you create meaningless jobs.

Which meaningless jobs do you speak of?

Is it time again for ANOTHER Zeitgeist thread?

Sure is. Bumping a years old thread when wanting a new discussion would be kinda pointless, wouldn't it?

[HansDuet]

My view on Zeitgeist?

Well I lol at it.

[Kiljan Arslan]

I and a few other know the truth about the film but I Am censored from telling it. PM me if you wish to know the TRUTHtm

[Phier]

Is it time again for ANOTHER Zeitgeist thread?

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Note these are not all of them.

My opinion is less on the movie and more on people who believe it.

[Dr. Croccer]

Am I the only one who thought that he was refering to the actual definition of the term?

[Saxon wårolord]

Laughable.

[David Icke]

Zeitgeist is not entirely correct. If you wish to know the truth, read my books.